Do you have the same feeling I have about the "Frankenstorm?"

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

I won't go into details, but I have an odd feeling that for reasons of their own some people are hyping the storm out of all proportion to its actual danger.

Obviously, I could be wrong.

Is anyone else out there getting those vibes?

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Pat Randall 2 years, 1 month ago

If the pictures are not faked looks pretty bad to me. Wait till we get the death count.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

There is a lot of hyping as there always is with 24 hour news stations. However, I do believe that this is a monster storm in terms of the number of people affected and the billions of dollars it will cost. Three feet of water at the stock exchange, NY subway flooded, numerous tunnels flooded, then we can go to NJ and start listing the damage not to mention the other states. Stock exchange closed for two days. Derrick swinging above the ground. Sandy is a big one. Hopefully, it will be handled better than Katrina. I agree with Pat, let's wait and see.

(At least the campaign junk has stopped == by the way I feel pretty important -- got two not one but two calls from JF -- maybe he will call again today.):-)

Let's hope for the best for all the people in the path of Sandy.

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Kim Chittick 2 years, 1 month ago

I am afraid that I cannot even take the "wait and see" attitude. I've several friends on the East Coast and surrounding areas, and according to them, it's bad.

A friend from AZ. who was visiting New York with her Mom and Aunts said that shopping in Times Square on Saturday was strange, as all shops, stores, restaurants, etc were closing by 4 pm. She said that lines in grocery stores, drug stores and pharmacies were of "Disneyland length". They decided to at least get out of the city and go to Maryland where an Aunt lives. They lost power sometime yesterday and so no more communication. Another friend in West Virginia is trapped in her house as the snow blew so hard and piled up so quickly last night that her front door is blocked. Her hubby had to push out the back door and is currently trying to shovel enough snow off the porch so that they can open the door.

I agree that weather forecasters can and do panic and overdramatize at times, however, I don't believe that this is one of those times.

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Kim Chittick 2 years, 1 month ago

Besides, watching the water flood the Holland Tunnel, and the subway stations. And seeing the pictures of water surging over berms in New Jersey. And seeing the streets in New York, Manhattan, etc. empty of cars and people. Knowing that the New York Stock Exchange is closed for an unprecedented 2nd day, and that casinos in Atlantic City have closed their doors. Seeing pictures and video of water flowing into the hole at Ground Zero. Hearing about 69 people killed in the Caribbean; and approximately 20 more on the East Coast and surrounding areas.

And talking to my son who lives in Georgia, far away from the center of this monster, and having him tell me that the winds are wicked and clouds are thick, just tells me that this storm is of epic proportions.

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don evans 2 years, 1 month ago

If this had happened in the Mid West or South, it wouldn't get the same play and we all know it. The people there just suck it up and move on, not looking or waiting for media sympathy or hype. But, this happened in the jaded upper N/E part of the country. Besides, it is all Bush's fault anyway. Gore will say it's due to man made Global Warming causeing ice melt and the sea to rise. NY Mayor Bloomberg will blame all the fat people in NY City causeing the coast to dip under their weight, from drinking large size soda pop's. Obama will claim it's a vast right wing conspiracy to supress minority's voteing for him. And, last but not least, Nancy Pelosi will say it was all predicted in the 2000 page health care bill that nobody read before it was passed ..... Big Rain, Big Wind, Big Waves. All will happen again because Mother Nature say's so.....

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Don,

"Big Rain, Big Wind, Big Waves..."

You missed the most important one of all: Big Bird.

Pat,

You want an honest opinion from someone who has been through 5 hurricanes and 18 typhoons? Other than the storm surge, which was quite high, and although there will b some spotty local damage, this was not the tremendous storm it was hyped to be. I have checked Trenton, NJ, Philadelphia, Washington DC, NYC, Boston, New London, New Haven, and Hartford. Damage, other than some local water damage from the storm surge, is minimal. This was not the "100 year event" it was hyped to be.

Want to see what a real hurricane looks like folks?

Go Google images and enter this search term: 1938 hurricane in New England

Then come back and look at the pictures of this one and you'll see why I thought it was hyped all out of proportion to the likely damage.

I checked the weather service forecast for NYC, NL, Boston, Trenton, and Philllie yesterday before I put up this string. The federal weather service sounded altogether different from the TV media. They were actually forecasting "light rains" and winds of "barely hurricane strength." Truly damaging hurricanes or typhoons don't dart inland with maximum gusts of 90 mph and light rains, almost immediately begin to lose power, and spin off to Canada in 24 hours; they roar up the coast, staying over warm water, constantly renewing their energy, blasting the coast and 100 miles of the inland area with winds of 125 mph and rain bands that stretch over a vast area of sea and land.

I'm not kidding. Please! Go to Google Images, enter 1938 hurricane in New England, and see what I am talking about. Other than the storm surge, which was a freak, this storm was badly hyped. No large storm is a joke, and if your house happens to be the one that is damaged you aren't concerned whether or not you're the only one; it hurts. But hype is hype.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

What about the pictures of the New Jersey coast. How come Christie, speaker at the GOP convention is praising the Obama administration for assistance. The effects of the hurricane are being felt as far as Lake Michigan. 2 feet of snow in the mountains in Virginia. A lot of territory has been affected by the storm.

Or do you think the reporters are making up the stuff about Lake Michigan and Lake Erie and the snow in Virginia? Have you seen the pictures of New Jersey? Thankfully precautions were taken and there weren't more deaths.

This storm is a big one!! Billions of dollars have been lost. Many people (millions) have been affected by the storm.

Tom, the people in New Jersey would definitely disagree with you. Let's not make a political event out of the misery of millions.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

And let us not forget the 80 homes that were burned to the ground in Queens. I am sure the owners would appreciate knowing your comments about the severity of the storm.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Bernice,

Did you go look at the link I put up? Go look. It will show you the difference between a BIG storm and Sandy. Sandy was large in area, but not in wind force. And so what if there was 2 feet of snow? I've seen 6 feet of snow that no one got all excited about. Hype is hype.

I am not saying that Sandy wasn't a storm. I am saying that it was not, as hyped, the kind of massive Category I hurricane it was hyped to be.

As I said, "No large storm is a joke, and if your house happens to be the one that is damaged you aren't concerned whether or not you're the only one; it hurts. But hype is hype."

I'll put up a second post for you, one with some facts in it.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Here are just a few facts from one hurricane I went through in 1938 in the same area. You can use them as a comparison:

"The anemometer at the Blue Hill Observatory registered a peak wind gust of 186 m.p.h. before the instrument broke. "

"The hurricane was estimated to have killed between 682 and 800 people. It damaged or destroyed over 57,000 homes."

"A movie theater in Westhampton Beach was swept out to sea. Twenty people watching a matinee landed two miles out in the Atlantic and drowned."

That was a big one. I could fill pages with the facts, but I think you can see the difference. Here are short reports from five small hurricanes in the same area. They're just summaries that indicate wind force and so on.

1944 September- 15 - Great Atlantic Hurricane - Category 3 in southern New England. Eye over Conn. /Rhode Island border. Severe wind damage in southeastern Massachusetts and across the Cape and Islands. On Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard considered worse than 1938. Severe wind damage in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Much structural damage and much of the forest that had somehow escaped being decimated in 1938 fell victim to this storm.

1950 September - Hurricane Dog - Major offshore hurricane — largest in size of all Atlantic storms — moved very close to Nantucket. Hurricane conditions over southeast Massachusetts. New Bedford Airport at 11pm observation reported sustained wind from the north at 75 mph with gusts to 100 mph. Very large, intense storm.

(I walked to work during the peak of this storm.)

1953 September - Hurricane Carol (the First) - Category 1. Maine landfall with considerable wind losses in Eastport, Maine and New Brunswick, Canada. This hurricane was eclipsed by the extreme damage of another Carol (the second) the very next year.135 mph at Block Island, R.I. and 125 at Milton, Ma.

(I drove back and forth past an area where 25 homes where sitting out in the ocean, having been carried out there by the waves.)

1954 August - Hurricane Carol - Category 3- wind gusts of category four strength in southeast Rhode Island and south coastal Massachusetts in the Buzzards Bay area west of Cape Cod. 60 killed. Extreme damage in coastal south Rhode Island and south coastal Massachusetts. Buzzards Bay damage rivaled 1938 storm.

(We were without power for two weeks.)

1954 September - Hurricane Edna - second Category 3 hurricane in two weeks in New England made two landfalls, eye over Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod then again on coast of Maine where very severe losses occurred. Winds recorded at the hourly reading at 90 mph New Bedford Airport, New Bedford, Ma; 100 mph at Taunton, Ma. 112 mph at Milton Ma, and 125 mph at Chilmark, Martha's Vineyard Island.

Any large storm that damages property or harms people is a tragedy, but hype is hype.

Go look at the link.

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Pat Randall 2 years, 1 month ago

Bernice, You tell him. He doesn't listen to me. I watched a lot of pictures last night and could not imagine being in it. Of course I was born and raised in Ariz. The desert state or so everyone thinks that hasn't been here and seen our beautiful mountains. When the Salt River floods here a lot of people panic. We had to evacuate our house once in Mesa because they were afraid the river would come up that much. It didn't but it was scarey.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

Pat, Tom doesn't listen to anyone. Maybe we should take suggestions for a name change from "I'm listening" to "I'm listening???" :-)Or maybe he is like some politicians, says one thing means another???????? :-) :-)

Talk about snow storms -- I remember way back when I was a kid in Milwaukee. We had quite a snowstorm and the city came to a halt. I remember digging a "foxhole" in the middle of the street. We might have lost power, I can't remember. However, we remained warm -- we had a coal fired furnace. So my dad only had to throw some more coal on. We had a large coal bin in the basement which we usually had filled in the fall. We were also lucky for another reason. The grocery was on the corner of the block where we lived. The owner lived there, too. So, we had no trouble getting supplies. Just as the grocery was running out, the plows finished their work much to my mother's relief. There were other snowstorms, but none quite as bad as that one.And, none that were as much fun. I really liked digging that foxhole with my friends. We were going to go the entire block with paths leading to our individual homes. Quite a plan, I don't think we got to realize it entirely.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Bernice,

"Have you seen the pictures of New Jersey?"

Yes. Have you seen the pictures I sent you to look at?

Listen, I am NOT saying that Sandy was not a large storm. It was. But it pales by comparison to a really dangerous hurricane or typhoon. And the news media knew it before the storm hit. As I told you, I went to the official United States Weather Service forecasts for weather for New York City; New London, CT; Boston, Mass; Trenton, NJ; and Philadelphia, PA. They were very different from what the media was saying, and the damage done by the storm is exactly in line with those weather forecasts.

What more can I say?

I was there in 1983, 1944, 1953, 1954. I SAW the 1938 hurricane. I saw the others. In 1938, downtown New London after the storm looked like bombed out Berlin in WWII. Somewhere between 600 and 800 people died in New England, not 20 as in Sandy. There were 57,000 homes destroyed. I have pictures of ocean going liners sitting at the foot of State Street in New London. I have pictures of streets with every single tree knocked down, ancient elms over 100 feet tall. I have pictures of house ripped to shreds. I am NOT talking about something I don't know something about. (And I sat out 18 typhoons on a Pacific island between 1963 and 1966. You want to see scary? Try that. We had to have a solid concrete house with a solid concrete roof. Otherwise the Air Force would not allow us to bring dependents on the island.)

Yes, Sandy was a large storm, but it lacked the high speed winds of a major hurricane. The damage that was done was mostly--as forecast--to low lying areas. The cause of that was the conjunction of a full moon (meaning neap tides) with a large low pressure area. But even at that the storm surge came nowhere near the hyped up 22 feet I saw being broadcast. The surge was about 11 feet, quite normal for a small hurricane.

If there had been a 22 foot storm surge along with the 125 mph winds the media were predicting there would have been a horrendous number of deaths. Thousands upon thousands of houses would have blown down. There might have been as many as 10,000 deaths.

But was there a 22 foot storm surge? No! Just 11 feet. Were there category 1, 2, or 3 winds? No. It barely managed 75 mph, which is what it takes to be called a hurricane. And the minute it turned inland those winds dropped by 30 MPH.

And I said all that BEFORE the thing struck, based on the official weather reports from five cities. I didn't make up those reports. The weather service did. Which is why I say the media reports were hyped up. It doesn't matter if it snowed in Virginia; the media reports were focused on New York and New Jersey, with dire warnings of hurricane winds and abnormally high surges which never happened.

I'll say it again: Go look on Google Images and see for yourself what the aftermath of a BIG hurricane looks like. Not a snowstorm. Not coastal flooding. A hurricane.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

By the way, I enjoyed the story about the snow. I've done some of that myself. New York City and Connecticut never got as bad as Wisconsin, but when I first went into the Air Force they sent us to Massachusetts, where we got 12 feet of snow that year. What a mess! And we were on Cape Cod, where they usually got very little snow. Then they took our outfit and sent it to Iceland, where I learned what real snow was like. Our quonset hut doors opened outward, so we could never get them open because of the snow. However, they had put a small man sized door in the middle of the large door, and that opened inward. Otherwise we'd never have gotten out of the place. The snow piled up 8 feet high on either side of the path we dug out to the street one time. The street was sort of plowed. They plowed it so that there was only a foot of snow on it, but they never plowed it clear because the road was crushed lava. The winds up there blew so hard you could not walk against them. Our Quonset hut looked like a huge tin can cut in half. It was bolted down on a concrete slab, but to keep the winds from blowing it away they took four huge blocks of concrete about five feet long, three feet wide, and one foot thick and put them in pairs on either end of inch thick steel cables. There was one pair on each end of the hut. There were no windows. The huts were made of corrugated steel. There were corrugated fiberglass panels fitted in the walls to let in some light.

Then, in the middle of winter when there was no daylight....

You guessed it. The power went off on the base for two weeks. Well, not the whole base. One of the generators was still running, but it only supplied power to the flightline, mess hall, and so on. No power in the huts. Was like living in a cave. We had some candles, but they ran out. Then they shipped in some kerosene lamps, two per barracks.

Personally, I like it here at 5,400 feet above sea level in the middle of a desert. :-)

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robert young 2 years, 1 month ago

Wow, sounds like a case of hurricane envy. I would say that if the storm failed to live up to the so-called "hype," which appeared to be based on models from climatologists and meteorologists, then that's something to be celebrated. So it wasn't as massive as the hurricane in 1938. Are they handing out trophies for "storm of the century?" The reason for the dire predictions wasn't Sandy alone, it was the clash that was anticipated between Sandy and the blast of frigid air coming down from Canada. At any rate, it disrupted a lot of lives, did billions in damage, killed at least 90 people.
"Just a hurricane" is plenty bad enough.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

However this storm ranks in terms of severity, this storm was very bad. Have you seen the pictures of Staten Island? Anyone care to guess how long it is going to take to clean up the mess? And for those affected by the storm, it was the worst ever. If a tornado sets down on your house, blows it away and your house is the only one affected, then for you it is the worst storm ever.

Robert Young is correct. It was the combination of the blast from Canada combining with the hurricane that was mainly being talked about prior to the storm.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Robert, Bernice,

I don't understand why you are defending the television reporters who hyped up a storm by adding false information to the genuine concerns about high tides.

You sound as though you think that I am comparing storms for some kind of "record," but the reason I got angry was because of the way the TV people kept talking about "extreme winds and heavy rains in successive bands." (Yes, that's an exact quote.) Remember, I lived right there at ground zero for this storm (both Staten Island and New London). I know what we would have gone through if we heard that report because I have lived there and been through it.

Most people do not live right on the edge of the sea, so they are not in danger from storm surges. Those that do wisely evacuate. But the rest of the people? Those who live on higher ground? That's 99.9% of the people. That vastly exaggerated report of wind and rain would have sent us outside for most of a day, and maybe longer, nailing plywood over windows, dragging everything into the house, picking up anything that could become a flying missile in a high wind, taking things apart, working for long hours doing things that were absolutely unnecessary. And we'd have been doing it instead of getting ready for what was actually coming.

Instead, they should have been honest about the fact that the wind and rain would be relatively light, but they chose to report high winds and heavy rain bands.

Trust me, if you ever spent all that time working to protect your home against high winds and heavy rain, and then you found out that there never was any chance of them you'd have been as mad as I got. That's a betrayal of journalistic honesty for the sake of making news.

To out this in context, here's what I said at the time--BEFORE the storm hit.

"I checked the weather service forecasts for NYC, NL, Boston, Trenton, and Philllie yesterday before I put up this string. The federal weather service sounded altogether different from the TV media. They were actually forecasting "light rains" and winds of "barely hurricane strength."

The weather service forecasts were absolutely correct. The media hype about the high winds and rain was untrue. It was a terrible storm, a horror. Why did they have to add to the truth? That's my complaint.

Worried about my relatives back there, I have talked with some of them. They are mad as hell, just as I thought they might be. If you know people back there, call them. Ask them how they feel. Don't take my word for it. They'll tell you the same thing I'm telling you. The media hyped the high winds and heavy rain. When you live on the East Coast where hurricanes come roaring up the Atlantic you need accurate newscasting, not hype.

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Pat Randall 2 years, 1 month ago

Better safe than sorry.
The people that don't leave when they are told to are putting the first responders in jepordy. As the mother of an ex-paramedic I would have been very upset if he had to rescue someone that shouldn't have been where they were and he was injured or killed.

Like all the idiots that insist on climbing the mountains down in Phx. Usually one of the people trying to rescue them ends up being hurt. Like the firemen that got bee stung a couple of days ago trying to save the boy that fell trying to get away from the bees and died. I have never believed in people being kept off public land, but they should know where they are going and how to take care of themselves. How many have tried to climb the mountains in Phx. in 110 degrees heat and not take any water? They should have to pay for the expense of rescuing them. Helicopters are not cheap! Why should we pay for thier stupidity?

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Pat,

I couldn't agree with you more. When there is any reason at all to be cautious I am all for it. I'm one of the "idiots" who climbed the mountains in Phoenix (no offense taken). On the other hand, I'm an idiot who has been climbing mountains all my life, I was still in my 50's and as tough as nails from a lifetime of hiking and climbing (no fancy stuff; I like mountains you can get up without climbing gear), and I took what I needed with me--mainly someone who knew how to get us both back down if one of us got hurt. And I could have brought him out single-handed too, had it been necessary. It wasn't. Climbed them all (no big deal, anyone could do the same thing if he or she was healthy and exercised a little common sense). I've spent heaven only knows how much time out in the desert in the Valley, especially out by Superstition Mountain. No problems.

You know what? I should have put this up in the first place to show everyone what I objected to. Instead I just said that I wouldn't bother everyone with details. This is a direct quote from the Associated Press as of Monday, October 27, 2012, at 1:15 pm. It is what prompted me to put up this string.

"Forget distinctions like tropical storm or hurricane. Don't get fixated on a particular track. Wherever it hits, the behemoth storm plodding up the East Coast will afflict a third of the country with sheets of rain, high winds and heavy snow, say officials who warned millions in coastal areas to get out of the way."

Notice that stuff about "...sheets of rain, high winds and heavy snow, say officials."

Worrying about friends I went to the weather reports from New London, Trenton, Staten Island, Philadelphia, and Boston. The "officials" did not predict high winds and heavy rain. That's what prompted me to put up a string. The television people were saying one thing and the officials were saying something else. So I asked if anyone beside me thought the newscasts were hyping the storm. They were. What they predicted never happened. A lot of terrible things did happen, but that does not get them off the hook. Okay?

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Pat Randall 2 years, 1 month ago

I guess so.

I only listen to half the news anyway. most of the newscasters can't talk, use wrong words, don't have a clue what they are talking about. they are reading something someone else wrote.

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robert young 2 years, 1 month ago

Tom, I do have friends in Brooklyn - my best friend who was the best man at my wedding, and his wife and daughter. He also is the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve there at Staten Island. He has told me it's absolutely brutal, especially on Staten Island. He was training to run his first marathon, the NYC Marathon Sunday that was cancelled. He hasn't said a thing to me about the storm being over-hyped. He has told me that most of the coverage he's since in the aftermath doesn't really capture how bad it is. That said, I think it's ridiculous when television reporters feel the need to stand out in the storm or in some puddle of water to make their shot look more impressive, but I didn't read or see anything about the potential of the storm that wasn't attributed to meteorologists or climatologists. I'd say that if they're guilty of anything it is making what they're told is the worst possible scenario sound as if it is the likely or expected scenario. That's bad reporting, and I'm with you all the way there. I didn't see that in this instance, but perhaps you did. However, just above you cite an Associated Press report as your reason for starting the string. But then you say television reporters were over-hyping the storm. Those are two different things. Which is it?

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Pat Randall 2 years, 1 month ago

OK Children, Time to stop fighting over the storm. I think it may be good it was over hyped. an opinion. Still some people didn't listen, so had to be rescued. As I said before better safe than sorry.

There has been 6 ft of snow here in Payson in the last 30 years. Roofs caved in. People had to be moved out of thier homes. There was no warning that I remember. My 70 yr old aunt was trapped in her house untill one of the Wilbanks men went up and helped her out. There was no first responders except law enforcement but everyone jumped in and did what they could. It could have been much worse if not for good neighbors.

We have to fear forest fires more than snow and if they tell you to get out, then GET OUT. I bet there are not 10% of the people here that are prepared for either snow or a forest fire. My friends make fun of me because I seldom let the gas tank in my cars get less than 1/2 full. Always have at least 2 weeks supply of medicine! When the last big fire was going about 6 yrs ago, we had our 22ft car hauler filled with our important papers, some clothes, pictures and things that couldn't be replaced along with my husbands gun collection. That was the first thing he loaded.(: I asked the FS spokesman where was the best place to be as we had a house in Pine, Payson and Tonto Basin at the time. His answer was he didn't know. So we took the trailer to Tonto Basin got back to Payson and the fire had jumped the highway and was headed for Tonto Basin. It is hard to out think Mother Nature. We have always kept food to last at least two weeks in our home. Don't buy frozen food as the electricity will probably be the first thing to go. If there is some kind of disaster you won't have time to get food or gas if there is any. If it is snow, trucks won't be able to get up the highway to deliver anything. Thats my sermon for the day. Think about it.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Robert,

The people in low lying areas like Staten Island and Brooklyn, and anywhere along the coast, were hit bad. I feel for them. I am, after all, someone who lived right there. The forecast for them, though it was saying 20 foot surges, was accurate enough. I had, and have, no problems with that. My only problem was, and still is, with what they did to people who lived a few feet higher in those areas. They scared the daylights out of them with dire warning about "possible 125 mph winds" and "a downpour o as much as 8 inches." So you hit the nail right on the head.

"However, just above you cite an Associated Press report as your reason for starting the string. But then you say television reporters were over-hyping the storm. Those are two different things. Which is it?"

Actually, Robert, they aren't two different things. Next time you are reading the news report from TV stations, as I do**, take a look at those two little letters in front of the report. The chances are very good that what you will see is (AP).

On the other hand, you make a good point. Maybe it was AP that was hyping the storm and a bunch of talking heads just mouthed what they were reading off the wire.

Here's a example of the clone world of TV news. I went to one place (CBS News) and copied this:

"Power returns to much of New York City (AP) November 2, 2012, 7:12 PM Big chunks of blackout-plagued Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens and the Bronx have gotten their power back this evening."

Then I spent a minute checking to see how many places had the exact same story. There were thousands of them. How many I can't say because searches always show a number which is too big because they do a separate search for each word in a search phrase. But look at these places. I didn't just go to the five major news agencies. I went to some might small little places too, as you'll see.

"New York Local Power returns to much of... November 3, 2012 Big chunks of blackout-plagued..."

"International Organizations Desk Power returns to much of... Big chunks of blackout-plagued..."

"foxnews.com/us Power returns to much of... Published November 02, 2012 Big chunks of blackout-plagued..."

"blackchristiannews November 2, 2012 6:30 PM Power Returns to Much of... Big chunks of blackout-plagued..."

And a site whose name seemed to say it all.

"your tube news November 2, 2012 6:30 PM Power Returns to Much of... Big chunks of blackout-plagued..."

So thanks!! I think you taught me something.

Maybe the blame for the fact that we get the same hyped up news on every %$#@! station at times goes to someone other than the stations. Maybe it goes to someone who is trying to sell news.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Pat,

You're right. It's the fires that scare me. I only hope I die before a really big one roars through here. Hm-m-m-m. Let me say that a different way. I hope a really big one never roars through here.

And guess what? We could sit in this house with the whole area snowed in and the power off for weeks. My son David thinks I'm nuts, but I have this place stocked with everything and have done all kinds of nutty things to make sure we don't get short. I have a two months supply of all medicines, a gas set-up which will heat the house, emergency lighting, gas tanks always full, the whole bit. If you look in our refrigerator you'll see, for example, three gallons of milk all the time. And it's lactose-free milk that stays fresh for almost a month.

I know that there is no way to outsmart Mother Nature, but at least we try.

Oh, forgot to say something to Robert.

The two asterisks? (**)

We don't watch TV. Haven't watched it for five or six years now. My wife, Lolly (short for Loretta) is a complete invalid, totally unable to anything for herself. Her Lewy Body Parkinsonism makes her prone to mood swings, and TV is bad for her. She is very troubled by the anger and conflict, even in the news. So I get all my info on the net. Lolly listens to music and watches DVD's of old musicals. I watch and listen to nothing even when she is in bed. I have to keep my ears open to the monitors around the house. So I do not even listen to music or the radio. Not ever.

You know what? Oddly enough, I really don't miss it.

I wonder what that says?

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robert young 2 years, 1 month ago

Tom, There is a difference between an AP report posted on a TV station's outlet and television reporters. That was the distinction I was making. It is typical for websites of TV networks, local stations and even newspapers to just post the wire story. It sometimes is nothing like the reporting being done by the outlet's own reporters. But as you see, more often than not, it is rip-and-read. So if one bureau over-hypes, then everybody falls in line.

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

24 hour news is at fault. As my husband says, they have to keep talking in order to fill the time period. Did this super duper news start with the Gulf War when we were there as the army landed? Remember Colin Powell saying if you want to see what is going on watch CNN?

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

I think you're right, Bernice. I read Ted Turner's autobiography, and that almost exactly what he said about having to find some way to fill all that air time.

You know what was amazing in that autobiography? Other than Ted Turned going from a guy who owned a billboard company to a big man in broadcasting, I mean.

He made a lot of his money by merging this company with that company and taking over this with that. Toward the end of the book he agreed to a merger with someone; I forget who it was, but being a trusting sort he allowed a merger where he didn't own the majority of the stock. Then, even though he was a big man in the company he kept waiting for someone to tell him what he was going to do. Nothing happened. In the book he says, rather plaintively, "I realized that for the first time in my life I had been fired."

And that was that. With all his money, and what he had done (he originated 24/7 news and a lot of other things), he was out of a job. Even though he had made billions for people they remembered the times he had taken over something of theirs, and even tough he had always been right when the others were wrong, they must have been just sitting back and waiting to nail him.

"I realized that for the first time in my life I had been fired."

Kind of sad, isn't it?

By the way, I read Colin Powell's autobiography too. There was an honest man. If you get a chance to read it, do it. There's a lot in there, a LOT.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Thanks, Robert

Point well taken. I only go to the web for news, so if there's a difference in what they post in writing and what they say I wouldn't know it.

I can tell you this, though. If you see a news story like...um-m-m-m...the one down in Phoenix where a man was shot in a wheelchair by police, and it's an AP report, you can forget about every finding a followup anywhere. I constantly search for followups. They put the juicy bit on the news, but they never report how the matter ended. I am still waiting for any followup on the story of the guy who had to swim ashore in Jamaica Bay in Long Island, climbed over the fence onto JFK, and was arrested for trespassing instead of being taken to a hospital. Not a word. Not a single word.

I think Bernice put her finger on it. There is too much air time and not enough valid news.

Come to think of it, maybe it has been like that for a long time. I can remember that back when I was young they used to talk about August being "no-news" time, or the "summer doldrums," and so they used to make up bizarre, but plausible, news and report it.

Here's one. I'll bet that at least some people on the forum have heard it. I'll try to report it just as they did.

"On the Merritt Parkway in Southern Connecticut this afternoon a woman stopped to see if she could help a man whose high priced sedan would not restart because his battery was dead. When she offered to give him a push start, the man explained that his brand new vehicle was equipped with one of the new automatic transmissions that are just coming out. He explained that he would have to get up to thirty-five miles as hour before his engine would start. Getting back into her vehicle, the woman backed up, accelerated her vehicle up to thirty-five miles per hour, and plowed into his rear end."

People believed it. Everyone was talking about it. The year? Early fifties.

Anyone ever heard that story?

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Bernice Winandy 2 years, 1 month ago

Early 50's???????????? Tom, that story was before my time. I was busy digging foxholes in the snow. :-) Not really, actually I was just past that period in my life. You know that obnoxious teeny bopper stage soon to be super duper obnoxious teen.

Let's not forget that Ted Turner married/merged with Jane Fonda. Hard to say who broke it up. I heard he wanted out, and I heard she wanted out. Anyway we know what happened. And frankly, who cares?

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

"...soon to be super duper obnoxious teen."

I wasn't much past that stage. I was in the early twenties and ought to finally have learned better stage.

"Let's not forget that Ted Turner married/merged with Jane Fonda."

I'd forgotten about that. I had to skip read a bit of his bio.

"And frankly, who cares?"

I don't know. The lawyers?

Ah, yes. Hanoi Jane. One of my favorite people. I often wonder how many people know why she did what she did. I'll bet there aren't many. It may shock you even more than the fact that she "gave aid and comfort to the enemy" and should have been tried for treason. (She would have but Nixon was in office and lacked the guts to do his job.) I'll put up a second post that will tell you, beyond a doubt, and as emotionlessly as possible, why she did all the anti-American things she did.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

Here, mostly taken from her own autobiography is why Jane Fonda became Hanoi Jane.

These are readily verifiable facts, not taken from some book or article that speaks against Jane Fonda. You can verify them in an encyclopedia or, of course, in her own book.

First what happened: On May 4, 1970, Fonda, who was not at the time an anti-war activist, appeared before an assembly at the University of New Mexico, in Albuquerque, to speak FOR (!) GI rights and issues. Her talk coincided with the showing of one of her films in New Mexico theaters, and was no doubt part of a publicity campaign. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

The end of her presentation was met with a "discomforting silence." The silence was broken when Beat poet, Gregory Corso staggered onto the stage drunk. Corso used a well known four letter word, asking why she wasn't worried about the students who had been shot at Kent State instead of bleeping GI's.

Fonda's comment in her own autobiography was that she "felt like a fool."

On that very same day, just hours later, and for the first time, she joined a protest march on the home of university president Ferrel Heady. Could it be a coincidence that the protest she joined was then named, "They Shoot Students, Don't They?" Is there any doubt that it was a direct reference to her film, "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" which was running at the time, and had in fact just finished running there in Albuquerque.

Do have the slightest doubt that on that day in New Mexico Fonda became an anti-Vietnam activist to avoid negative publicity? The idea of someone doing the things she did for publicity purposes is sickening, but what other conclusion can be reached? She FIRST spoke FOR GI rights and issues, and then, AFTER a drunk yelled at her for not being against the Kent State shootings, she immediately, and on the very SAME day, was part of a protest which was named after her currently running film.

If you have any doubts about the fact that Jane Fonda abused her public image for her own reasons, listen to the comments she made about POWs who came home and talked about their years of torture. She called them "hypocrites and liars". She added, "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." She also said that men who served in Vietnam, in particular the POWs, were "military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to the law."

Those are her words. Nothing she is saying or doing now will erase them.

As for her publicity stunt in North Vietnam, I will never forget her sitting and laughing on an antiaircraft gun in North Vietnam. The proper place to air your views on a war--IF you hold them honestly, and are not trying to make more money in an acting career--is in a letter or phone call to Congress, or at the ballot box. Not in enemy territory.

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Tom Garrett 2 years, 1 month ago

I am very bitter about what Jane Fonda did. It was wrong and there is no way to gloss it over and make it right.

She and others abused the privilege of free speech when she called honest American kids the kind of names she called them. The documentary evidence of torture in North Vietnamese prisons is clear cut--often on the bodies of them men who lived through it.

I cannot find it in my heart to forgive someone who sat on an antiaircraft gun that might have been used to shoot down men who took off from Okinawa where I was stationed and never came back. She could have used her time doing something for her country instead of for the enemy. Even if she had actually felt the way she claims she did--something the record of how she became an activist makes me strongly doubt--she could have chosen to help the poor kids who fought in a war they would not let us win, even though we could easily have done it, not to harm them. What did they do wrong? Show up for their draft call like good citizens?

Why didn't she help brighten up the days of men and women who had served their country and paid a heavy price for it, instead of calling them "military careerists and professional killers?" Lolly and I saw some of what happened to those kids. The hospital on Okinawa was, among other things, a staging area for men who needed emergency surgery before being returned to the United States. Lolly and I used to volunteer there on evenings and weekends, writing letters home for men who couldn't write them themselves. I am not ashamed to say that were many times I could hardly see through the tears.

Sorry, Hanoi Jane. If you are looking for forgiveness go back to Hanoi and sing a song for "Uncle Ho" for them like you did last time.

Quote: "The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song. He translated as they sung. It was a song about the day 'Uncle Ho' declared their country's independence in Hanoi's Ba Dinh Square."

Go sing, lady. And while you're at it, stay there!

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robert young 2 years, 1 month ago

tom, you might consider subscribing to NexisLexis. Often, those AP stories are re-written content from another source (usually not attributed). A service such as NexisLexis provides a search of all publications, public records, etc. you might find the rest of the story on your Jamaica Bay swimmer...

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