185 Why do Democrats oppose this bill?


Tom Garrett 3 years, 10 months ago

Explain this to me, will you?

Every one in a while I find myself confused by something that one of our two major parties does.

This is a case of that. Please enlighten me.

A bill which allows designated teachers, administrators, or other employees in remote-located rural schools to be trained and to then carry a handgun has passed the Arizona Senate.

The bill is based on a 6-year old Texas law and applies only to rural schools which have 600 or fewer students, and are at least 20 miles, or 30 minutes, from the nearest police station, and which lack a school resource officer.

The same bill also allows retired police officers who work in schools statewide to carry guns on campus.

Okay, fair enough, but it's the vote that puzzles me.

17 Republicans: Yea 11 Democrats: Nay

Okay, tell me what's going on. Why in the world would all 11 Democrats vote against a bill to protect school kids?


Rex Hinshaw 3 years, 10 months ago

Tom, Because the bill does not fit the President's and the anti-gun groups agenda. Voting for it would be an admission that there might be a better ,common sense,way to protect our school children other than this latest effort to restrict law-abiding citizens 2nd amendment rights. Make no mistake , the ultimate goal is to disarm the citizens , not protect anything except their positions of power.


Ronald Hamric 3 years, 9 months ago

Tom, I agree with Mr. Hinshaw. This has nothing to do with protecting children, making our world safer, or none of the Left's pablum that they spew out like so much of their empty rhetoric. This is about "people control". Even our illustrious Vice-president recently made the comment that their current efforts towards implementing "their" gun control agenda, is only the beginning. I keep hearing those of the progressive/socialist mentality decrying that all the government wants is "common sense" gun control, and that those of us who believe they (government) have another agenda are simply conspiracy theorists. Well, then one of their esteemed ideological leaders, Joe Biden himself, has proven we are right in holding to our "conspiracy " theories.


Tom Garrett 3 years, 9 months ago

I missed that point. I was thinking of the legislators involved as being Arizona legislators, not pols like the ones in Washington. Live and learn, I guess.

If that's the way things are, and the rot goes that deep into a state like Arizona we are in begger troouble than I thought we were.

And I can see a bit more in this too. If we take sensible, logical steps to protect kids, then the excuses for the nutcase gun controls I see in Washington go away. So what's really happening then is that our own Arizona legislators do not want the problem to be solved.

That says a lot. That is really bizarre. It never occurred to me that our own people would put the repeal of the 2nd Amendment ahead of the safety of their own kids. But that straight up and down vote says exactly that.

I'd like to ask each Democrat who voted against such a logical and necessary law a simple question:

How does limiting the size of rifle magazines make kids who live 30 minutes away from the nearest police agency any safer if there is no way to stop a shooter?


Ronald Hamric 3 years, 9 months ago

Tom, I would offer that Democrats at the state level and even those at the city / county level are marching to the same drum as their leadership in Washington. I saw it during my career. Whenever we had some issue resolving Public Safety agency's contract negotiations at the city level, a call would come down from Sacramento something to the effect "if you have designs on serving in our party at the state or Federal level, you had better come to terms with whatever it is that is causing our dedicated Public Safety unions such grief". Saw it too many times and then people wonder why totally Democratically controlled cities and states are bankrupt. It's just one giant political game to them and they could care less about how their decisions affect people on main street. The Democrats in Phoenix are simply towing the "party line" In fairness, the GOP plays by the same type of rules. One reason among many as to my decision to become an "unaffiliated" voter.


Tom Garrett 3 years, 9 months ago

I see what you mean, Ron, but it's hard to take. I too amd an independent, but that's primarily because I find national politics to be so corrupt. At the local level, as for example here in Payson, what difference does it make if someone is a Democrat of Republican? I don't have the slightest idea what parrty anyone on the town council belongs. In fact, I'd rather not know. It helps to keep my mind free of concerns.

The fundamental difference between America and all other nations is that we were formed from 13 independent nations, and our system of government is built around that concept. In all other nations the power flows from the top down, but in ours it is supposed to at least partly be the other way around.

At least at the state and local level there should be people in the legislature who look upon local matters as local matters, not as a part of a federal pie. In this case it is especially true. We are searching to ways to keep our school children as safe as possible. That's not a political issue; it's a human issue. What is more precious to us than our children?

I find it disgusting that people who have sworn to serve the people of the State of Arizona prefer to serve their masters in Washington on a purely local issue. What that means, of course, is that at the state level we have to begin thinking around what people say to how they will actually vote.


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