Friday December 13, 2013
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Driving around again to day, saw a town yard with several old military trucks, a bus and other old equpiment. Are we getting ready for an invasion?
Why is the town spending money on things like this and taking up storage space ? If all the trash, unuseable equipment, chunks of concrete, and crushed culverts were taken out of the present yards the town could probably save quite a bit of money there.
A few years I saw a privately owned camper up on a rack. Is this what we are using all town yards for?
Sell the land, get it on the tax roll..
I used to see a ski boat parked at the water department grounds on Aero.
How come the town mechanics can't work on and maintain the police and fire vehicles?
As far as maintaining the Fire Apparatus it requires specific certifications and the Town Mechanics do not have them. They do minimal repairs on them however. I made a phone call and was told that the police vehicles are maintained by the Town Mechanics. Also was told that the vehicles parked in the Town Yards came from government surplus at no cost to theTown.
Why are you trying to bash the town again ? Thanks to Barbara for her information...I hope it answers some of your questions.
Pat, again you saw something that bothered you , you formed an opinion, you came to a conclusion, then you stated it as fact on this forum.
There's a big difference between fact and opinion...I defend your right to your opinion....and sometime [-: even agree with you. Before complaining, you and Varnes should check out issues like Barbara did.
I saw a mess. I gave a solution.
Why do you think it cost the town so much money to clean up the land where the Door Stop is located? Because the town dumped unuseable crap there for years and had to get rid of it..
I never asked about the fire trucks.
What did I state that was not a fact? Have you ever driven around town with your eyes open?
"you saw something that bothered you , you formed an opinion, you came to a conclusion, then you stated it as fact on this forum."
IMHO that pretty much sums up this whole forum :-)
Pat is certainly not the only poster guilty of that! Most seem to choose what "facts" to believe and what "facts" to be derided as originating from "elitists" or "socialist left-wing commies", or ............. choose your own derisive label to fit your own agenda.
Many think we're supposed to believe what THEY say rather than experts in the "field" of contention or researchers etc.- - -as if they have more knowledge and wisdom than those who actually work on, or study the issue being argued here. It's ridiculous to believe I know more than my youngest daughter (for just one example) about molecular biology. Just as it's ridiculous to believe someone (anyone pretty much) on this forum knows more about "climate change" (for another example) than the entire U of A science department. It's intellectual arrogance to just call the more knowledgable "elitists" (or whatever negative term used) when they disagree with you on an issue- -and claim you just know better!! That's just hogwash. My folks taught me to be more careful who I believe than that!
PB and Rex,
I don't know what your problem is with the post I put on here. I saw the things in the yard by JRE.
I know it cost a lot of money to clean the property where the Door Stop is. It was and is public knowledge to people that read the paper or went to Council meetings at the time. I did see the camper. I did see the crushed culverts and chunks of concrete that had to be moved or buried or what ever they did with them when they sold the land to Door Stop.
Since you two are so smart, show me a statement that I put on the post that is not a fact.
One thing was an opinion. Clean up the yards and they won't need so many and the land can be sold and taxes paid on it by private owner. As a matter of fact that is fact also!
I don't have a problem with your post. I was just referring to Rex's comment that I quoted!
Sorry if you misunderstood my post. My post was not aimed at your post at all. It was in response to Rex's comment about your post. I know NOTHING regarding the facts (or issue) you talked about. Mine was a general statement. Think will get any rain today? :-)
" Why is the town spending money on things like this...."
That is the part of your statement I was referring to. You have no factual knowledge of what ,if anything, they spent on the old military equipment. If you drive around town and see things stored in town storage yards that you don't like...go for it. And by the way....I always try to drive around town with my eyes closed.....I find it safer and less frustrating [-:
The trucks supposedly given to the town, but they were not delivered free. Wanna bet?
You are not the only one that drives around with your eyes closed. Thats a fact !
If PPD vehicles are now actually being maintained by town employees, then that's a definite change from the past. Anytime I went to Phil White Ford, they were sure to have at least one police cruiser in their repair bays.
Yesterday, I saw a brand new and VERY shiny, Dodge Charger police cruiser on the streets of Payson. It was a 2011 model. In the past, PPD vehicles were usually older, lightly used models, and they were supposedly purchased from other, bigger spending police agencies.
But since we have so much cash floating around Payson...
I believe you are mistaken about the PD purchasing used vehicles. Don't know that for a fact. They put out bids to certain dealers and buy new cars.
They finally bought thier first car from Chapman about 8 yrs ago. One of the council members found out they hadn't bought any here and was very upset. You know. Be loyal buy local ..
They had never bought a car from the local dealers before that according to the owners of the car dealer ships. Chapman and Phil White.
Rex, that is a fact ! I personally went to the dealers and talked to them. They were never offered a chance to bid before that.
Pat, the PPD used to buy many of their vehicles from Salt Lake City area police departments after the Utah departments had put about 30-50 thousand miles on them. I knew Gene Podschweit and remember that he used to drive many of them back to Payson from SLC.
It was, and still is rare to see a brand new vehicle in the PPD fleet. As a taxpayer, I like this!
Go by the back of the jail, county assessor and recorders offices and see all the new cars there. Best to go by after 5 PM.
I know very little about the vehicle purchasing history of Gila County government, but I do remember that the GM corporation used to give brand new vehicles (4 WD Blazers, usually) to the Sheriff's department for testing purposes, at no cost to the county.
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