Agenda for Jan 20 Council

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Pat Randall 3 years, 3 months ago

Ordinance 795 Changing zoning to allow for growing marijuana for non profit medical marijuana dispensaries. Why would anyone put in a non profit business? Why would they need more than one plot of land to grow the marijuana? My daughter has to drive to 85th ave in Phoenix for a surgial procedure. Do you know how many mies away that is? If someone wants or needs marijuana, let them drive to Globe or somewhere to get it. Maybe as near as Star Valley or Tonto Basin. Probably wouldn't have to leave the town limits of Payson. Something doesn't smell right about this. NON PROFIT ? Someone out of the goodness of thier heart going to buy land rent or build a building and sell so called legal marijuana at no profit. Is this another govt. subsidised fiasco and/or stupidity of a town council?

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Pat Randall 3 years, 3 months ago

Agenda continued. Deferred payments on impact fees for builders of new homes. With all the vacant houses for sale, why should there be deferred payments to build more? The homes that are here had to pay thier impact fees up front. Is this fair to the people already living here that paid. I don't think so !

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don evans 3 years, 3 months ago

Might I suggest the Town of Payson open it's own maryjane store front, and sell it for profit!

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Pat Randall 3 years, 3 months ago

Don, They could sell all the marijuana they claim to confiscate. (:

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Barbara Rasmussen 3 years, 3 months ago

From an earlier article in this newspaper it was stated that because of Federal Laws prohibiting selling of marijuana no banks will allow anyone to have an account to deposit monies into. That is why they have to give the money away. And because many of these companies keep large sums of cash on hand it makes them a target for crimes. And the man who wants to open a growing/dispensing facility in the area of the airport stating that they are not near any residences? WRONG! There are homes in and near this area. They were the ones who complained about the manufacturing company making too much noise. I live less than a mile from the area where they are proposing to open this business. I wonder if anyone will ask the residents in our area their feelings for opening this dispensary in the area?

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Dan Varnes 3 years, 3 months ago

It's an industrial area. That would be the most logical place.

QUOTE: "I wonder if anyone will ask the residents in our area their feelings for opening this dispensary in the area?"

Yes, a loud chorus of "NIMBY" is bound to be heard from the nearby residents. But when you choose to live near an industrial zone, you don't have much to stand on, do you?

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Pat Randall 3 years, 3 months ago

Adjoining property owners can sometimes stop people from getting a liquor license close to them. Maybe something has been going on longer than we knew about. All the rebuilding of Airport road and improvements up there. You think? No one answered my question about these dispensaries being non profit. Please someone explain that one to me. What kind of qualifications and licenses is required of the owners? Any bonds, fingerprints, background checks? How about hired employees. Do they have to be bilingual?

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Barbara Rasmussen 3 years, 3 months ago

Pat I did some searching on the internet and came up with this. Proposition 203 (Medical Marijuana Law) authorizes a limited number of marijuana dispensaries to operate in AZ but requires that they be operated as not for profit. I am going to do more research on licensure and such for owners/operators of these dispensaries.

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Barbara Rasmussen 3 years, 3 months ago

Pat: I went to Arizona Department of Health Services (www.azdhs.gov) entered Prop 203 and found a draft for the the laws governing the dispensaries. It is a multiple page document and goes into great detail of the requirements for operating a dispensary for medical marijuana. They will have to be fingerprinted, background checks done, security systems in place. Also lists the fees for operating and for patients. It is not going to be cheap. Also this draft mentions citizenship requirements necessary to receive medical marijuana along with other requirements. As far as being bilingual I couldn't find that answer. I wonder if the other states that have these dispensaries put all of the same conditions on them or perhaps AZ is one step ahead?

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Dan Haapala 3 years, 3 months ago

Just say NO! regardless of the recently voter approved Medical Marijuanna iniative, it is in violation of federal law. In this case Federal law takes precedence and trumps local jurisdictions.

The council should just say no and defer to Federal law.

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Mike McLaughlin 3 years, 3 months ago

Maybe the feds should leave the practice of medicine to the professionals. . There are many controlled substance pain relievers out there and I'll bet the two of you have used them at least once.How about Tylenol 3. This is a drug used to treat mild to moderate pain. Ever had a root canal? Ever had a tooth pulled? How about a severe sprain? Are you going to just say NO or ask for a glass of water to wash it down? Remember Codeine is a drug regulated by the feds!

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don evans 3 years, 3 months ago

Anyone wanting to smoke and inhale vapors from some clowns State Tax Certified homegrown weed patch deserves whatever happens to them. Every dispensary will dream up some "additive" to advertise theirs as the best. Examples, Maui Wowie, Kona Gold, Green Dream, and....drum roll PAYSON PRIMO!!! I can here the ad now. Payson Primo is grown in perfect forested conditions at the base of the Great Mogollon Rim. Only the best ingredients are used to foster enhanced THC content and leaf color. Strained Strawberry Llama Dung and pure cool mountain deep aquifer spring water are used to cultivate and promote growth. And, due to the unique location of our dispensary next to the Payson Airport, our product receives the added benefit of over flight Aviation Fuel spraying, at no extra cost to our customers! So, put on them spurs partner and kick it to Payson Primo. You’ll be glad you did.

(Product Disclaimer: Payson Primo LLC is not responsible for any adverse medical effects or spontaneous combustion injuries. Buyer/ user assumes all risks)

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Barbara Rasmussen 3 years, 3 months ago

SH; There are 5 classes of Federally controlled substances. Class I supposedly have no medical benefits, they have a high potential for abuse and there are no safe methods of use. Examples of Class I controlled substances are marijauna, heroin, LSD. Class II some medical use under closely regulated circumstances and have a high potential for abuse and addiction. Morphine as well as other common stimulants and painkillers. Class III some medical use, low potential for abuse. They can be addictive both physically and psychologicaly. Examples are pain killers that combine opiates with non-steroidal anti inflammatories such as Tylenol 3.

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Dan Haapala 3 years, 3 months ago

" Maybe the feds should leave the practice of medicine to the professionals" MIke on that statement alone, I couldn't agree more; However, the next comment... "There are many controlled substance pain relievers out there and I'll bet the two of you have used them at least once.How about Tylenol 3. This is a drug used to treat mild to moderate pain" I hate to dissappoint you but I rarely, and I mean rarely, even take an aspirin for pain. When I was in Nam in the Navy, I was given and took and Darvon tablet for a wound I sustained. Only took one, now I read where that was a wrong decision according to the latest drug warnings. I've been down this road with other chemists and teachers and users and the bottom line is this. God gave us pain to tell us something was wrong. We must endure pain while we correct, if possible, what was wrong. I know many are saying are you nuts? Well maybe a little but I've noticed that all mammals and mostly human beings seem to have a need to artifically stimulate ourselves from reality. It's happening more now, In my opinion, that it did say a hundred years ago, but it happened then and it happens now. Okay, here's where I'm coming from. Should we suffer? Yes. Do you really remember the pain of your broken bone, whatever it was, as a child. I doubt you do. Pain passes. Not only that but it makes us more cautious so that we avoid having to endure pain. Is there a mother among us who gave birth without an epidermal block who says, ' I'll never do that again' ?...So I say pain is good, pain is temporary, pain is forgotten. Now to those who will argue that the pain of cancer or other dibilitating or terminal diseases is too much to endure without relief....I say we already have those pain killing life ending drugs. I am not without feeling for my fellow man. I've been there when mothers have passed and still had work to do. They didn't want to die, they didn't want the pain, but what I saw was a focus beyond themselves. Is the pain so unbearable that you need an illegal drug? or....do you just want an illegal drug?

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don evans 3 years, 3 months ago

Payson Primo is my suggested name for the business. LLC stands for Limited Liability Corporation. My rumor control manager has advised me that the business will be a medical pot growing distributor only? They will be the manufacture of product for some various AZ Pot dispensaries when they are up and runing. But, you know how rumors go. Here is a better one. A large Calif. Police Department is investigating about five of their police officers. For what you may ask? One is a silent partner "owner" of a legal State authorized pot dispensary business. Some fellow officers connected with him were all found to possess medical pot amounts in their Police station lockers. Each one also possessed the State Medical Card that allows them to possess and use the medical Marijuana, certified by a doctor (the same doctor I was told) due to treatment for some medical condition? And, all of their medical pot was coming from, you guessed it, the officer dispensary owner. Now, that should make your Pot boil... Cops can be legally under the influence and in posession? At work yet? And thus far, it would appear it's all legal, same as John Q public medical users. I'll leave it to all you street lawyers out there to figure out how it will all play out (if it's all true). I'll pass.

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don evans 3 years, 3 months ago

I heard the alleged medical conditions were...drum roll....Acute Insomnia and Post Tramatic Stress Disorder. All incured during Police employment. Now if they are told they can't work as a cop? Boy, it just get's better. Do they they get a full disability pension? The new breed....The new standards....The new scams.

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Pat Randall 3 years, 3 months ago

The new crap to get around drug control. I knew what LLC meant, but I couldn't fine Payson Primo on the Corporation Co. web site. See, I check on everything.

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Barbara Rasmussen 3 years, 3 months ago

There is a website www.medicalmarijuana.com that I viewed and they believe (not sure who they are) that it will help Anorexia, Anxiety, Aids, Arthritis, Autism, Cancer, Crohn's Disease, Depression and Glaucoma. That is just listing a few of the diseases/conditions listed. Other websites out there give even more detailed lists and one particular disease/condition that they list is Alcoholism. So if this is true one would think that the makers/breweries/distributors of all of the beer, wine, whiskeys and other "spirits" would have been against this bill passing not only in AZ but the other states as well. Also another website, www.ballotpedia.org lists individuals/companies that contributed to the campaign in Arizona both for and against the Bill 203.

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Dan Haapala 3 years, 2 months ago

Prior to 196?, LSD was legal as well. Want to bring that back?

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Dan Haapala 3 years, 2 months ago

Okay, that wasn't fair, but let me say this, When a society or civilization finds that a stimulus, relaxant, whatever you want to call it is not a benefit to the society or civilization they usually make it taboo. It happened with booze in the 1920's but the general population wasn't ready to give it up and didn't find it enough of a danger and the law was repealed. Many have used this arguement for the legalization of marijuana but the difference is this. In the 1920's everyone had access to both booze and marijuana, they chose booze. I don't know why but hemp was as common as beer, wine, and whiskey but people didn't choose hemp. All mammals find ways to self annesthesize(?) themselves and no one knows why. Maybe the answer is to find a place on the earth where these people can go and shoot up, inhale, or drink themselves to oblivion, thus ending the question of what should or shouldn't be legal.

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Pat Randall 3 years, 2 months ago

Most medicine is given to cover up the symptoms not cure the disease. Drs. don't want to waste time listening to you trying to tell them your symtoms to find out what is causing the problem, just start writing prescriptions and if that doesn't work add another that isn't supposed to be given with the first one. Or else you are sent to a specialist that has a very one track mind. Seen it happen many times. Have to get to the next patient for that $175.00 office call.

My husband was the victim of this. And it has been tried on me, but I refuse the drugs unless I know what is wrong with me. I do have a primary care Dr. now that will take the time to listen. There are times when you need pain medicine, after surgery, broken bones, etc but only for a few days. Not a rest of your life thing. Depending on the pain what you receive. My husband took an anti rejection medicine for his arthiritis and it worked great. Was not a pain medicine. Not addictive. I have no problem with continued pain medicine or marijuana for that matter, but only for end of life pain.

A very good example of specialist. I go to one of the best cardiologists in the state. He is in an office with about 14 other drs. They all have thier own specialty. One does pace makers and cardiac ablations. Another does caratoid arteries. Mine does angiograms and puts in stints. Another does vascular surgery. I know they can all do the same thing. I saw three of them while I was in Banner Heart Hospital. Tried to ask my dr. about the pacemaker and he said that was an electrician question had to ask the dr. that inserted the pacemaker. Tried to ask the 'electrician dr' about my blood pressure going wild and he told me to see my regular cardioligist as he was the 'plumber dr.' They are all in the same office and cover for each other if one is gone. Cute little story isn't it?

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Pat Randall 3 years, 2 months ago

I think we do have a good cardiolgist in Payson now. I have seen him a couple of times, once in the ER and once in his office. If he gets the equipment the hospital needs and a couple more drs. I don't think we will have to travel to the valley for heart problems.

I think I can say that with a little authority as my husband was one of the first 100 people in the US to have an angioplasty over 30 yrs ago, done in San Francisco, had a 7 way by pass in Mesa and had 2 stints put in his heart about 6 months before he went into the nursing homes.
Heart problems were not the cause of death.

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