Sunday December 4, 2016
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I believe your not a libertarian, just a socialist leaning liberal. I base this on your past postings on a variety of social, cultural, and political topics. A true believer of the if it doesn't physicaly hurt you or someone else, it should be ok. Ron Paul has proven to the thinking person, he is a full blown nut job, period. The smartest one of the whole Republican bunch on all issues is Newt Gingrich, hands down. But he is not a pretty boy, has some personal bagage, and is a Washington insider. Mit Romney is the old money party establishment choice, a professional politician, has the image of being Presidential, middle of the milk toast road on most issues. Has lot's of money. But I don't think he can overcome his Mormon status with most voters, picking a President. A reality check, like it or not. Perry, a good looking good ol' boy who's entire political life is based in Texas. Not real sharp without a lot of coaching. No real big money to go the distance. Rednecks and hard core Christian right love him, but not enough outside of Texas. Herman Cain is the rising dark horse (no pun intended) candidate so far. Not a professional politician, not a Washington insider. Actualy a successful self made CEO for a variety of large Corps. Intelligent, actualy answers most questions put to him honestly. Speaks with people on a level they understand. The only one to get any traction on a serious overhaul of Fed tax system plan. Had a real job outside of politics, understands economics. Libs ,socialist , and Acorn type blacks are scared to death of him, so I like him. I think it will boil down to milk toast big money Romney, and the outsider Cain. Cain's lack of campaign money staying power and an hatchet job liberal media could really blow him out of contention. I hope not. I'm so sick and tired of professional career politicians who will pander to every special interest group they can.. Example> Obama
Don't ever under estimate a Mormon.
Religion should not have any effect on any election any where.
Character, brains and common sense goes a long way being a leader or follower.
Seems all of it has been missing in elections every where for quite awhile.
Please explain in detail the following statement from your post. "...As for the Newt. I believe He is the biggest hypocrite in the race!!! A several time marital cheater who wanted to hang the other guy for the same offense He was practicing at the very same moment."...In detail with facts not suppostition.
PB Re: Comments to Don Evans. "I believe you don't read well enough....". "You've amazed me with your myopia!!" You are the person who has called for a "civil discourse" on many occasions. You also call for critical thinking and reasoned conversations in many entries. I suggest to you that your remarks on occasion lead to personal affronts and contradict your stated goals. An opinion need not be an affront or insult. Unless that is what you intend, please consider your tone before you post.
Mr. Lemon. Well , you have been told by the voice of Gisela. Your and my OPINIONS are on the hit list of the above and not to be tolerated. But that's ok, not much to do down there anyway. Alabama Gov. George Wallace, once personaly campaigned in Gisela for the Presidency I'm told. Had lot's of supporters there. Tells you all you need to know. Have a nice day.
PB You accepted my thoughts in a manner that gives credence to them. Usually , I do not respond to your posts because it serves no purpose. So ....
There were many people who went to Gisela on the day Gov. Wallace was there. Not all were what you call rednecks which incidentally are some of the best people anywhere. My dad was born in Gisela.
They were not there neccesarily because they were going to vote for him. It was a very interesting experience. The barbeque dinner was great. (:
He came in by helicopter but we never saw it. He landed somewhere near and came in a car.
There were Federal Marshalls with rifles on top of the buildings and many secret service people in the crowd. It was a cold rainy, muddy day, and one of the residents who was on a horse started to get his gloves out of his pocket. Before he got his hands out two secret service agents had him off the horse and on the ground. I was amazed at the speed it happened.
One secret service man who was black had on a beautiful silk suit and black patent shoes wading around in the mud stuck out like a sore thumb. Of course with my warped mind I went over to him and said you must be a secret service agent. He laughed and said "how did you guess? I am supposed to be in Flagstaff for a formal affair tonight. Do you think anyone else will notice me?" We both had a good laugh and visited for quite a while.
If anyone objects to me using the word black. Keep it to your self because I don't know what politicaly correct word to use and probably wouldn't use it anyway.
There are three things I have gathered from this post so far. PB would vote for Ron Paul before voting for Obama. The majority of this post, including me, believes that Newt is the smartest man in the room. There seems to be a consensus that Romney is a favorite son of the Republican elite, and here it comes, At least half of us want see Herman Cain continue and perhaps go all the way.
PB, your comments about Gingrich from the 80s is based on the liberal talking points of the day. He was the voice of reason that defeated Hilary care and they hated him for it. His marital seperation, eventual divorce and remarriage was nothing like the media would have us believe, just ask his daughter who has written about it.
Many things Ron Paul says make sense to many....but watch him wind up and go off on his tangent and I for one would worry about the results of that in a meeting of the national security council and resulting actions therefrom. I have more faith in his son Rand and watch for him to rise in the future.
As for Gisela, most folks there know me. I lived there fifteen years ago and kept contact with more than a few of those residents. I don't believe they are all in harmony with your beliefs. But things could have changed. What does Duke Say.
I'll say it again, I'm tired of politicians and I'm looking for a statesman. I want a leader who puts country before self, people before pride, responsibility before relief. We have had our fill of 'politicians' who have wormed their way into the citizenry by promising special favor. Those special favors always have a hook attached and the hook is loss of freedom. The Government cannot give us anything. WE already have it and it's not the governments to give.
I want us.... to have a leader.... who says it's time for the government to respond more to the people...stops pandering to the special interest lobbyists......has plans to eliminate the free lunch programs.... who teaches that in order to participate in the wealth, you must participate in the production.
Zig Ziglar made the example clear by saying, there are many who stand in front of the stove of life and say "give me some heat and I'll put some wood in you." But we know that doesn't work.
Prime the pump, fuel the fire, produce and recieve, Find me a man or woman who will put us back to work and they have my vote. First you must sow, then you can reap. An absolute truth.
PB, Nothing I said was meant to be an attack or to take out of context anything you said. I took some of your responses and drew my own conclusions and I'm sorry if that was wrong.
Tonight I watched my two favorited Republican candidates answer question in a non antagonistic
meeting before a Texas political action committee forum. I was very impressed. Furthermore, In my opinion, these two men are brightest most honest candidates this country has put forth since Ronald Reagan and perhaps even before.
Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich were given the opportunity to respond to current concerns and respond to each other. I won't say more. If you'd like to watch the debate if you missed it, than go to this website:
I have found it is best to ignore some posters on here.
Some no longer exist as far as I am concerned.
You have more brains in your little finger than some have in thier head.
Mr. Naughton I am not naming names. Just stating an opinion and how I deal with people I don't like.
See I am still posting to you. (:
Dear Papa Bear, It is obvious to me that we don't agree on many issues and I have no problem with that. What you will continue to get from me are my opinions and feelings on a variety of issues and they may or may not be what you believe. I have no problem with you expressing your opinions, some I find humorous, some I find sad, but that's my opinion and you should only take it personal if you have doubts about your opinions.
What's amazing to me is your desire to pick my responses out of a list of other responses to make your point. You don't have to disagree with me by name, just make your point. You may find that I actually agree with you and may even reverse my opinion.
I give you my blessing to disagree with me. You already have the right to express it here. If we choose not to agree on any given issue, then let us agree not to be disagreeable.
Maybe people that think posting on here is a waste of time should stop posting.
Not all things put on here are for debate. Just comments, opinions, or something they have seen around town.
Some post jokes, or things that are happening to them, not for debate.
PB, This is not an excuse, but I went back to work and now work full time. I no longer have the time to spend on this forum, something I sincerely regret. as to your recent post which states
"I posted a list of my Presidential characteristics that I was looking for, in response to yours. No response from you." I never saw it. I wish I had because that is a discussion I believe we should all have.
Next, you don't make me angry, no one makes me angry. I and I alone am responsible for my emotions and though sometimes my responses may be harsh they are only meant to be my strong feelings on the subject and not intended to discourage discourse.
Papa Bear, You have a great talent for creating discourse. I'll bet you were one of the great debaters in your class. I admire your spirit and your fortitude in bringing forth your opinions and further admire your depth of intelligence gathering to make your point.
I once thought you might be an adversary but now realize you only part of the audience.
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