Payson Roundup

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

Oh REALLY?

The people who keep parroting this nonsense are ignorant of an important fact: Doctors have come to Payson because there is a real NEED for their services.

Yes, I'm talking about the many retired people in Payson and the surrounding areas. It's a rare senior that doesn't need constant visits to a doctor's office.

If 12 years is the amount of time that it takes to “educate” a child, then these retired folks have likely put 3 or 4 generations of kids through our wasteful “government school” system with their ever-increasing property tax payments.

Why do these PUSD school employees expect us to believe that they cannot possibly find 10% of waste to cut from their budget? Let me do it… I believe that I could find MUCH more than 10%.

Maybe it's time to end the concept of “free education” for anyone who gives birth to a child. Maybe the parents should be actually have to spend some of their own money for the education of their children instead of expecting any and all property owners to foot the bill for their progeny.

What a radical concept, eh?

fred_franz (frederick franz) says…

Pure scare tactics Dan. Your summation of the facts is so astute! Doctors don't leave Payson just because of an election. I've had a couple doctors retire, and a couple have just changed jobs. A number of doctors come to small towns like Payson because they get a subsidy from the federal government for serving a small town. After their contract expires, they can move on to serve another town. Of course some doctors choose to stay in Payson. Three cheers for them!

As for free K-12, I think the government has spoiled it for everyone by allowing illegal foreign nationals to bring their kids here and mandating foreign languages to be taught. The schools have gone overboard with spending on extracurricular classes and activities.
-Fred

rtnaz (Rex Hinshaw) says…

Dan ,
oh really….yes REALLY !
Small rural communities all across this country struggle with attracting and retaining doctors. They don't HAVE to come because there is need. Ask the CEO at the hospital how hard it is to recruit doctors. He would also tell you that the quality of the school system is of extreme importance to a prospective doctor in his decision to move here , if he has children.
Retired people were paying when you went to school , when your children went to school…so now that your retired you don't want to pay? You seem to view Payson as your retirement town…it is not Sun City Northeast.

Chief1942 (Ronald Hamric) says…

Dan,
Won't touch the doctors leaving issue, as I haven't spoken to any in that regard. What I will tell you, is that I been witness to the same “our world as we know it will end” if we don't do so and so. One of the most recent had to do with AGW (man caused global warming). One of the oldest was the catastropy that would ensue in California if Prop. 13 actually limited the politician's ability to continue to raise property taxes to fund all their special social programs. It's interesting that it is typically progressive/socialists who prefer this “scare heck out of them” approach. Now it seems it is the norm regardless of where one falls within the political spectrum. I for one, didn't buy it then, and am not buying it now.

Anyone ever figure out how the Greatest Generation prosecuted a two ocean war and were successful at winning in only 4-5 years, and they had none of the things that people today will scream at you, that it is their 'right” to have those luxuries? People have become literal dependents of the system, incapable of accepting what life throws at them or accepting their personal responsibility for looking out for their own welfare. Now it takes 10 years to prosecute a war against a bunch of illiterates and 4th world vermin and the outcome is continually in doubt. Pity as we once were a nation of such stout fibered individuals who all professed they were Americans first and foremost.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Find out how many doctors are here because the hospital is paying them and they have a guaranteed salary to help pay off school loans faster than trying to build up a practice in a larger town to pay them. They probably don't have to pay thier own malpractice insurance which is a big chunk of money.
When their kids are school age they may or may not leave.
It isn't only drs. that come and go and the schools have nothing to do with it. Some don't have kids.
People move for many reasons, health of older relatives somewhere else that need help is one reason.
From what I keep reading some may be moving for more culture. Don't really like cow towns or rodeos. (:

In my opinion some of them should leave !

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

I originally heard this on KMOG's morning talk show. It was the day that they got a group of kids from PHS to tell the voters how the futures of our local students would likely be ruined if the budget override didn't pass.

An adult (I don't remember his name) told us that he'd talked to a doctor that was thinking of relocating here. He said that the doc wanted to know how the community felt about the local schools. He implied that the doctor probably wouldn't come here unless we voted to let the school system raise our property taxes. And we'd get all these great things “all for the price of a single pizza.”

Get a real estate picture book next time you're out at the market. See if YOU find any homes in Payson for the mythical figure of $100,000 that keeps getting tossed out. I sure didn't find any.

So all of this “doctors won't come to Payson” drivel is basically just conjecture.

What IS NOT conjecture is that businesses, retirees and smart, working age families will absolutely be driven out or will likely stay away from counties that have a history of high property taxes.

That's not conjecture at all, just fact.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

It seems with what little interest a lot of parents show in thier kid's manners, actions and not going to school teacher-parent conferences or school sports, they don't really care what goes on in the school system. Just get the kid out of my hair for a few hours a day.
How many attend a school board meeting or know the names of the teachers who have thier kids all day?
Yes, there are some very good parents and many of them are choosing to use charter schools or home teaching.
Payson will not fold up, the drs won't leave if we don't vote yes.
It may fold up and everyone move away if they can't pay their home taxes.
Check the phone book and see how many drs. are in Payson.

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

I'm past the point of being tired of hearing from school kids who have had their heads pumped full of propaganda from PUSD teachers and administration. At least once a week, these kids are excused from class so that they can go on KMOG's talk show and “inform” us how we'll all be ruining their futures if we don't cough up another 10% pay budget for the PUSD.

Then, the letters section of the Roundup shows up at my doorstep and I get to read the same thing in print. Talk about a hard sell!

High pressure sales tactics never did work on me.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

The kids should be in class instead of at the radio station.
Or missing classes to go to sports events a hundred miles away, and all the other things that keep them out of the classrooms.
Do the coaches of the sports teams also teach classes?

roysandoval (roy sandoval) says…

Shibboleth!

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Thanks Dean, but I still don't know what he was referring to. Do you?
I read 3 or 4 definitions of the STUPID word and couldn't figure out why he posted it.
Oh well I am not a school principal

DonEvans (don evans) says…

Pat has made the best arguement as to what K-12 public government schools have evolved in to. Every year we get the same pitch. (not just Payson) It's for the children, we don't have enough money. We need a special bond or tax hike again from the community. It's never enough money to get the job done. The general public school system is failing. Home schooling, and school voucher system is the future. More accountability, more frugal, better results, and more parental control over administration, staff and curriculum.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Mr. Sandoval,
Looked up the word and don't have a clue what you mean !
Please explain.

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

from wikipedia: “Today, in the English language, a shibboleth also has a wider meaning, referring to any “in-crowd” word or phrase that can be used to distinguish members of a group from outsiders.”

So, the commonly heard phrase “we need to do it for the children” could be considered a shibboleth.

The speaker of those words is usually a school administrator, teacher or person who has children inside the school system and wishes for property owners to pay a higher tax rate each year for the next seven years.

Who shall stand against it, as it's “for the children”???

Now I get it!

rtnaz (Rex Hinshaw) says…

It got all of you talking about what he meant with that one word for 3 DAYS…..I though it was piquant !

Shovelhead (Mike McLaughlin) says…

My dad used a word that sounded a lot like that .
The word was used to describe a particular type of ant. :)