Payson Roundup

DonEvans (don evans) says…

This video gave me some good information that I intend to keep in mind when answering (or not answering) census questions.

Subject: Worth watching!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDhkP…

Use this information for the 2010 census.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Don,
I watched and listened to the video. Haven't figured out what planet the man is from.

Copied off the census form and no where does it ask about disabilities, income, housing cost, cars owned, if you receive food stamps and how much your utilities are.

The only thing on the form is
name, house rented or owned, phone number, sex, age, date of birth, race and how other people listed in house are related.
What am I missing and where did he get his information?

Ruby_Finney (Ruby Finney) says…

Pat,

I don't know what the current forms do or how they are set up. BUT the last census and most of those before, used a “long form” questionaire for every tenth household - or some designated number. Those forms asked for all kinds of stuff like even how many bathrooms you have in your house.

Far as I'm concerned, I'm going with name, rank and serial number! The rest of it is none of thei business!

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

My census form came yesterday. I filled in the box for “How many people reside at your dwelling?” and dropped the form back in the prepaid envelope.

All the “other” questions? I left 'em BLANK.
Total time? Barely one minute!

Short, sweet and hard to beat.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Dan,
Bet you get a census worker knocking on your door. Wanna bet??

rtnaz (Rex Hinshaw) says…

Mine came today. My problem is I don't know if I'm person #1 or #2. I'm going going to ask my wife tonight…I'll bet she tells me I'm #2…I've heard that before.

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

QUOTE: “Dan, Bet you get a census worker knocking on your door. Wanna bet??”

No bet. They probably will.
Might be a good chance to ask them why they need to know which racial group I belong to.

DonEvans (don evans) says…

Under Race, I will mark other, and write in “american”.

Ruby_Finney (Ruby Finney) says…

There is a movement up here to answer these questions in this way:

Race - HUMAN

Sex - occasionally

They are now saying you can be arrested for not answering questions and fined as much as $5,000.

Boy they really want to know all that stuff, don't they? Just think what will happen if they pass National Health Care and you refuse to buy a policy! Probably put you in jail and then you'll just have full care free like all the rest of the jailbirds!

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Don,
I beat you to it. Received my census Mon. and wrote in American. How can we know who will be living in our house on April 1. Will they fine us for filling out the form and mailing it before then?

DonEvans (don evans) says…

You'll be charged with the old LAPD favorite administrative punishment “Failure to anticipate” :0)

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

I was in Pine Sat. and found a census form on the door of my house there.
Wrote on it no one lives there and mailed it back.
Today I received a post card in Payson mail box telling me to be sure and mail my census back, which I have already done.
No damn wonder it costs so much to take a census. What a waste.

A letter telling me my census will be in the mail. Then the census form arrived. Filled it out. Mailed it.
Census form on door in Pine. wrote no one lived there. Mailed it.
Today a post card telling me I should have received my form and must respond. On the front telling me my response is required by law.
Am I babbling? (:

Shovelhead (Mike McLaughlin) says…

In a word…YES!

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

Whats a matter Shovelhead? Didn't get your post card? (:

Shovelhead (Mike McLaughlin) says…

As a matter of fact Pat, I got TWO of those post cards in today's mail :)

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

See, they know how you are. (:
My grand daughter gets two ballots in the Town of Payson vote by mail system.

rtnaz (Rex Hinshaw) says…

I just heard on the news this afternoon that you can be fined $100.00 per unanswered question or $500.00 per misleading answer up to $5000.00. If you did either there will be a knock on your door by a census taker and if you are uncooperative they can recommend the fines.

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

I heard the same story, but they also mentioned the jail time and big fines we'd pay if we said something unkind about Barry Soetoro or even his wife, Michelle Soetoro.

: 0

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

13 U.S.C.§ 221 : US Code - Section 221: Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.

________________________

So there you have it:

1) not more than a $100 fine for refusing to answer a question.

2) not more than a $500 fine for giving a false answer.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

I gave honest answers. I am an American, didn't feel any of the rest of it applied. Even to color.
Since there is only one of me and we own a house in Pine, Payson and Mesa I put 0 people in the house on the forms in Pine and Mesa. Didn't see any reason to fill out the rest of it.
Thank you for telling me where you found the information. I don't remember seeing any of that on the census forms.

chrisrafter (Christopher Rafter) says…

The video posted above intentionally mixes and confuses the 10-year census and a much lesser known, ongoing, sample based survey, the ACS. If you don't know what these two things are, then watching the video is only going to muddy the water further for you, because he jumps back and forth so much you can't keep track of which one he is talking about. The guy has a 2nd video that points out the differences better, or you can go look at them at census.gov.

Anyone can post a YouTube video, if you choose to listen to this man's opinions and base your actions on them, you deserve what you get.

By the way, private companies (Experian, Trans-Union, Axciom and 20 others you've never heard of) collect far more private information about you, don't tell you they have it, and make money from it. They don't even bother asking you for it or checking whether it's accurate. I'm a lot more worried about that than the 10-year census.

patrandall (Pat Randall) says…

I know there are companies out there that gather information and have been doing it since 1968 that I know of.
Real Estate companies were buying the information is how I found about it. They had names, addresses, income, how many kids, credit cards and I don't remember what else. I never gave any one information after that if it wasn't to get some kind of license.
I won't even sign up for a Safeway or Basha's card.
Payson Police dept. Gila County Sheriff , Maricopa County and the state have all the information they need on me including 3 sets of fingerprints, except a picture and the real estate dept has that. Of course it wouldn't identify me as it was taken in 1969. No I have never committed a crime. Don't even cheat on my income tax.
My picture is on my drivers license and a radar citation I received in Mesa. (:

DanVarnes (Dan Varnes) says…

I love the phony B.S. that the census advertisements are spewing out. Garbage like “Get our fair share of the dollars” and “We can't move forward til' you mail it back.”

Is all of this “pie-in-the-sky, manna from Heaven” money actually coming from some other country? Do they hope we'll forget that it comes straight out of OUR pockets and bank accounts?

And I suppose they're hoping that we'll forget how our corrupt government bureaucrats have put America trillions of dollars in debt. It's now mathematically impossible for our national debt to ever be paid off. Obama has officially spent more money in his short time in office than all the other presidents in history, combined.

Yeah! Come on! Send it in!