Keep And Bear Arms

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Editor:

Can Congress legally pass a law to restrict “rights”?

We need an understanding of “rights” and the role of government. You do not have a “constitutional right” to have a gun and the Second Amendment did not give you the right to bear arms.

“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Second Amendment.

This does not say the government, Constitution or this Amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment, just like others, does not bestow a right upon the people, but prohibits the government from infringing on your rights. Your “right” to keep and bear arms, to free speech, etc.; “shall not be infringed”!

The First Amendment begins “Congress shall make no law ...” This Amendment does not give the right to free speech, it prohibits the government from interfering in the rights we already had.

Neither the Constitution nor the government gave us these rights. Our rights preceded both the document and the government. The Constitution was written to establish a general government for a very few, specific reasons. The Bill of Rights was added making it clear the government did not have the power to restrict “rights.”

If our rights did not come from the government or the Bill of Rights, where did we get them? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...” (Declaration of Independence) Our “rights” come from God. They predate the Constitution and the government.

God gave us “unalienable” rights. This means that no one can take them; they are yours unless you relinquish them!

The Declaration of Independence goes on to say, “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...” The government was formed by the people for the purpose of securing our rights.

Our government has passed laws doing what they were forbidden to do. They took the rights that people gave up. The more rights we give away, the less liberty we enjoy.

“A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” (John Adams)

“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Ben Franklin)

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” (Samuel Adams)

America sends our military to fight in other countries defending their liberty. Meanwhile, we have been asleep while our government has been stealing our liberty, bit-by-bit. As John Adams said, once we lose liberty, we will not get it back!

Mike Foil

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Robert Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

Mr. Foil,

Please correct me IF I have misconstrued your meaning.

So you are saying that the same God (the Creator of this universe and globe, Adam and Eve) who issued the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is the responsible party for my "right" to own my guns????

Just what WAS I supposed to do with that gun then? Caress it? Sit on it??? How about worship it?? Oh wait, I know he didn't want that. He instructed me to worship HIM!!

Join me in prayer for our country to regain the wisdom we have thrown away!!

Jones

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Dan Haapala 1 year, 10 months ago

Dear Mr. Jones, God wants you to understand that understanding God is not easy if you have no faith. You can refer to all the words that man creates and can quote them all to your purpose but the truth remains the truth and it is simply this. "Believe in the lord thy God with all your might"....And yes there is more... but answer me this. If everyone, I mean everyone followed that commandment.....would this conversation even exist? And would you accept that because everyone doesn't....that we have the problems we have today.

Our forefathers gave us a beginning, one that would allow a responsible and moral society to exist, but they also warned that without personal responsibility, the law would not stand. Jones you can sit on your throne and proclaim that righteousness does not exist, but for me I've seen it, lived it and believe in it and you are welcome to live your life in denial though I hope at some point you see the light.

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Robert Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

Dan,

First I want to Publicly apologize to you for tactics I took in the zeal of debate with you about a year ago. My actions were beneath my level of normal behavior and unacceptable!!!

I sincerely beg your forgiveness and assure you I learned something very painful about myself. I like to win far far too much! I will not repeat such actions I assure you. It has humbled me greatly. While we may disagree, I have no doubt about your honor, or your sincerity of belief!

Now, if I may ask? Where the dickens did you get the idea that I believe righteousness does not exist? My Mother was very righteous, bless her soul. I'm quite sure she resides with the maker. That was her belief and I'm quite certain she lived it daily and righteously.

While I do fail miserably on occasion, I myself, try to live a righteous life as I define it. I won't steal, I don't lie, I try to practice kindness, etc. I readily admit I have some trouble with toleration.

I will also completely agree with you that IF all of us actually walked in careful observance of those commandments given to Moses all of our societal problems would melt away.

I sit on no throne. I have no power at all, other than the power to speak, walk, and set an example to my family. That happens when I succeed or fail in walking correctly. BOTH are examples.

I deny nothing of the spiritual. I just admit that I (personally) long ago LOST my ability to have faith in dogma. Of any sort. My spiritual issue is "lack of faith". Not In the creator perse (sic) but in HOW to worship. How to understand what is God's truth vs. what is some long ago group of men's twisting of God's intent for their own personal aims of control over the masses. It is my inability to believe in the religion espoused by men in all these churches and assorted gathering places.

I am an infidel. It is NOT a pleasant reality to know that, but it is true. I was raised VERY religious (pentecostal) and saw so much hypocrisy that the result was a complete lack of faith in the dogma of belief. Not just personal hypocrisy. I'm smart enough to understand that that is inevitable and everywhere. But indeed, hypocrisy of belief itself, within the dogma. The creator is NOT going to be in conflict with what we know to be scientific fact.

(please see next SHORT post)

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Robert Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

(cont.)

Not to pick on the LDS, but as an example only, their belief in the age of our planet is in direct CONFLICT with known science. You won't get far with me attempting to convince me the Grand Canyon is not as old as any minerologist or geologist can prove it is through the testing of materials exposed by the erosion.

Belief must be based on truth, not hokus pocus theories. Otherwise it becomes little more than witchcraft and ritualistic mumbo-jumbo.

There is righteousness!! I'm in total agreement. I just don't share your "faith" that that righteousness ONLY emanates from some religion. I'm willing to bet that somewhere there is someone who is righteous but that does NOT believe as you do, or that even may be a NON-believer in the Judeo-Christian practice of belief.

As churches are being emptied year by year, I sure hope so!!! May you be blessed with serenity and happiness. Live well and do good work. It's all we can really do.

Jones

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ALLAN SIMS 1 year, 10 months ago

Hi, Jones. since you still believe in God, you obviously hate the hypocrisy you've witnessed. My own brother hit that same storm-racked reef.

Forgive me for sticking my nose in your business, and for dragging the conversation farther from the beginning article. But, if I might point out a couple of things, perhaps it might help.

The fact that those who claim Christendom lie should not mean that God himself is a lie.

Paul said in Romans3: 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.

Just because they lied doesn’t mean that God is the lie, or that he caused their lies.

And, concerning lack of faith, consider John said in John 6: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

So then the faith that you yearn for, is the work of God himself, not yours. Therefore, pray for God to give you the faith to believe, if you can. Prayer doesn’t cost much. To the ones he said that to (In verse 29) he also said: 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. … 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Paul also said in Romans 10: 9 … if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Look at verse 11 just above. What does it mean to not be ashamed?

John said in Revelation 20: 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

To be ashamed, as noted above, is to be ashamed before God, to not be “found written in the book of life”, by extension to be thrown into the lake of fire.

If you believe in God you know his word is true. Therefore, it is important to be “not ashamed”. It is reasonable therefore to pray for the faith to call upon his name, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the grave.

If God doesn’t exist, who cares, but if he does, it would be much better to not come before Him ashamed, and face that lake of fire.

Peace, Jones

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Robert Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

Mr. Sims,

Thanks for attempting to help. I'm not even sure how to respond. Other than to let you know that I am still searching for truth and faith. I readily admit that I do have some faith. I have faith in gravity for instance.

My "issue" is the faith to believe in what is supposed to be unknown to us humans. We are NOT supposed to know God's ways, Gods methods, at least that's what I was taught.

It's this lack of the physical that I have difficulty with. I have the same lack of faith in other things spiritual (other than Christan belief that is) like magic for instance. I don't generally buy it. I expect its a trick, a ruse, designed to deceive my sense of reality.

Please don't jump me for referring to magic as spiritual. I'm fully aware that THAT spirituality does NOT come from God!!

The spiritual is just something I have NEVER been comfortable with. I like to see things, feel things, touch and smell things, then I can determine the authenticity of something for myself. Without having to depend on some "guru" of whatever stripe.

Real things, like a gun :-) I (even though some folks probably read my musings and think I'm some sort of wacko lefty) would not surrender my 2nd amendment right to some new "political" force, I don't care what you term them. Socialist/Progressives, whatever.

That's one of the problems with a forum and comment sections such as this. People read stuff and jump to huge conclusions. I'm a human. I have lots of conflicting and competing beliefs, like most of us I expect. IF we could all just slow down with our judgments of each other, and really listen to and understand what each of us are saying---before setting our minds about somebody who has voiced an opinion that is vastly different than our own, we could go a long way towards ending this devisiveness (sic) and hostility between us Americans!!!

It would then be so much harder for the rulers with an agenda to divide us and manipulate us into getting their way.

I commend you for engaging with someone you probably figured was a political opponent. It shows me where your motives lie. I'd bet we aren't really opponents at all. Probably just two concerned citizens worried about the future. If you have children and grandchildren (as I do) how could you not be concerned? So, thanks for the well meaning words of scripture. I accept the good intent they were offered with.

I wish you the best in your walk, as well. peace to you Sims!!

Jones

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ALLAN SIMS 1 year, 10 months ago

Good points, all.

May the Living God deal with us both graciously rather than the way we deserve.

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Robert Jones 1 year, 10 months ago

hear, hear Mr. Sims!!!

I do hope he/she has a sense of humor!!

And LOTS of patience with his human creations!!

Jones

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