Turkey’S Problems A Good Lesson



In Turkey today we see the result of a right wing conservative religious government. In that country, the religious views and strict enforcement are a preview of what can happen when religion is allowed to take over government.

Having gone through similar circumstances with Christianity’s rule over England, is it any wonder why our Founding Fathers insisted on a separation between church and state?

Noble Collins


Donald Cline 3 years, 7 months ago

Are you sitting down, Noble? You may be as startled as I am that we agree on at least your conclusion, even if your premise may assume facts not in evidence: Since at least WWII, Turkey has been a secular republic trending toward democracy (always a mistake), though it has also trended toward Islam, having traded a large proportion of its Hellenic population to Greece in exchange for an equivalent population of Muslims. These two trends are clearly in direct conflict with each other. The riots in Turkey are a reaction to recent strict enforcement of religious views that sharply conflict with Turkey's tradition of secularism (to be expected when you allow your nation to be taken over by thugs), but not a reaction to any long-standing tradition of religious persecution by the Turkish government. I would like to make two observations: 1) I'm glad that you seem to agree with at least one Constitutional premise of fundamental liberty; though I regret that you seem to pick and choose which Constitutional liberties are acceptable to you; and 2) What is happening in Turkey is most assuredly going to happen here if you and your First Messiah win to your prize of a utopian Marxist paradise ( a la "Agenda 21") requiring equally religious fervor in licking the boots of "Dear Leader" and his delegates and assignees. And that, no doubt, is why this Marxist Mafia regime is buying up weapons, ammunition, and MRAPs by the ton. Not wanting to close on a negative note, however; congratulations for recognizing that "separation of church and State" is an essential element of liberty, even if you don't recognize that our Constitution also prohibits your political ideology.


Ronald Hamric 3 years, 6 months ago

I am always somewhat amused by those that read things into the Constitution which simply are not there. Simple wishful thinking I suppose. I would challenge Mr. Collins or anyone else to provide specific wording in the Constitution that speaks to a "separation between church and state". It simply isn't there. Now what is there is ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ....". Pretty clear but I see no mention of a "wall" or the term "absolute". Perhaps I simply missed it and Mr. Collins will enlighten me further.


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