Feds Stole State Lands Of The West

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Editor:

Only Fox News covered the Bundy/Nevada controversy, but told only half the story. There are 11 states in the West that never got their land after they got statehood. Arizona is one of them.

If this is an issue you care about, go to info@americanlandscouncil.org or call 801-ALC-6622.

You might consider how those who live in New York would pay for their schools if 80 percent of their land was owned and mismanaged by the Forest Service or BLM. Have you ever heard of PILT (payment in lieu of taxes)? They are made by the federal government to the states and are a fraction of what taxes would be were the land held in private ownership.

I guess those of us who live in the West are considered to be too inept to manage and profit from our own land. Perhaps we need to have all western lands covered with those lovely windmills and solar panels. Of course we will get to live with the desert tortoise and Mexican wolves. Those mistakenly endangered species will determine the use of our lands: no copper mining, no lumbering, no ranching and no fracking. All we get are illegals coming across federal land to use our schools, hospitals, jails, benefits and take our jobs.

Vicki Cool

Comments

Tom Garrett 7 months, 3 weeks ago

Vicki,

I wholeheartedly agree with you, as do many Roundup readers.

As it happens, we are discussing this very subject on the Roundup Forum "I'm Listening." We didn't start out on that subject on the string in question, but — as so often happens — we just kind of strayed into it. Nevertheless, the numbers are there and they exactly support your position.

Should you be interested in adding a comment, or in just seeing the latest data on the outrageous percent of each western state still in federal hands, here's a link for you. Have no fear; it will take you to the Roundup forums, not to some external site.

http://www.paysonroundup.com/discussions/open/Im_istening/6044/?c=57723

Tom Garrett

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Carl Allison 7 months, 3 weeks ago

This makes for interesting reading on the subject: http://truthfarmer.com/2014/04/12/more-back-story-on-cliven-bundy-blm-war/

We have our own problem in Payson and perhaps I'm just being alarmist, but I am honestly concerned about it. Payson is justifiably proud that over the last 20 years that it has cornered the C. C. Craigen reservoir. Foresight is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, water is the new "gold" of the west, especially during the current prevailing drought. There will be towns, counties and districts that will cast covetous eyes on Payson's water supply and as with all things political, deals will be made and votes cast by areas with higher populations than north Gila county to establish a "water conservation district" which is just a euphemism for "We're going to take your water and you can't do anything about it." I seem to recall that the attempt has already been made once concerning the Prescott and Cottonwood area and the Verde River. Larger metropolitan areas such as Phoenix have a great deal more political clout than the previous attempts and I expect laws will be passed to force Payson to yield much of the reservoir for "fair and equitable" sharing with other areas of Arizona. We get to pay for it, they get to take it. California is rife with examples of this kind of maneuvering to remove water rights from individuals. It could happen here. We can fight that at the local and state level but the Feds have a different take on water rights. The BLM is certainly capable of claiming the reservoir but the EPA is also expanding it's control over all water sources in the United States right down to the water coming off of your roof when it rains. One agency seizes, the other levies heavy fines and both agencies see nothing wrong with enforcing their draconian policies with military style swat teams. Time will tell whether any of these things happen and while they certainly can, I sincerely hope that they don't.

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jeffrey Aal 7 months, 3 weeks ago

Just thinking out loud here. If the Feds "stole" the land from the states, who did the states steal it from? Natives?

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Donald Cline 7 months, 1 week ago

The States didn't steal it. They formed a territorial government and applied to the federal government for Statehood. The federal government said "Well, okay, but you gotta deed over all this land to us in order to settle clouded titles and everything and start over with a clean slate, but we'll give your land back to you as soon as everything is settled." And the States said "We'll do it," were granted Statehood, and the feds reneged on their promise and a few years ago passed legislation making their theft of State land into federal (null and void color of) law. Accepting something of value in exchange for a promise to give it back and not giving it back is embezzlement and embezzlement is theft. The federal government has no authority over land within a State border not intended for Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, or needful Buildings: See Article I Section 8 Clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution (and the Tenth Amendment, which prohibits any power to the federal government not delegated by the Constitution.

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