Obama Creating A Socialist State

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Editor:

After watching Barack Obama lie to the American people nonstop in his State of the Union, for the sixth time, as he does everything he can to bring this once great country down to its knees.

The people need to know what his beliefs are.

Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and the Cloward/Piven Strategy of overwhelming the welfare system to bring down the country are his bibles.

He is executing both to perfection. Unemployment and welfare/food stamp usage are at an all-time high due to his job-destroying attacks on businesses (Obamacare, etc).

Here is the short version of his other bible, How to Create a Socialist State by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state.

The first is the most important.

1) Health care — Control health care and you control the people. (Obamacare)

2) Poverty — Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. (More people on welfare and unemployed than anytime in history including the Carter disaster.)

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. (The national debt was $9 trillion from Washington through Bush 43. Obama has nearly doubled it to over $17 trillion in only five years.)

4) Gun control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state. (No comment necessary. The attack on the Second Amendment is full on!)

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (food, housing and income. (Refer to the above, and the Obama regime is doubling down on causing another housing bubble such as the one we just got through!)

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school. (Teachers unions and Common Core indoctrination.)

7) Religion — Remove the belief in God from the government and schools. (Already mostly banned.)

8) Class warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. (Did you listen to Obama’s State of the Union?)

Hello ... Does any of this sound familiar?

In case you are not paying attention, we are at 7-1/2!

If Obama (and his cronies Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Shultz, etc.) are not removed from power very soon, we are finished.

Dale Oestmann

Comments

Donald Cline 2 months, 1 week ago

Very well-said and very accurate, Mr. Oestmann. FYI, I recently had a fairly highly-placed member of the Arizona legislature recently tell me he has become convinced the objective of the federal government is to dissolve the States or render them completely moot and replaced our federalist government with a national government: One government fits all. Of course, this has always been the objective of tyrants: The bigger the government, and the more layers of government, the less any one thug can be held accountable for his tyranny.

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Ted Paulk 2 months, 1 week ago

I can only guess that your "fairly highly place member of the Arizona legislature" was the lady from Safford posing as a Gila County resident...Brenda Barton ( a Michelle Bachman clone). I can hardly wait until I see your reactions when Hillary is elected in 2016:):):)

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

No, it wasn't. And you jump to more conclusions with less justification than anyone I know.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

I doubt if most people you know have had a fresh idea since the teabaggers brain washed you!!

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

You always leave yourself wide open, Ted: If you knew anything about history, you wouldn't be falling for every stupid "fresh idea" that has been tried before, sometimes dozens of times, and has always resulted in absolute tyranny and despotism. Your ideas are not "fresh;" they are as old as feudalism and their purpose is to restore the concept prevalent in the entire world prior to the American Revolution: The concept that "Kings govern by the Divine Right of Kings to Govern." We kicked that tyrannical concept out of our nation with extreme prejudice in 1776, Ted, but there are always those willing to sucker the low information types back into their clutches with promises of security in their old age, promises to bail them out with free this and free that when they make stupid life decisions and find out that stupidity has lifelong consequences. And they make those stupid life decisions because the consequences aren't important, almighty government, supported by the groaning taxpayer, will bail them out and make it all better. And before long those poor suckers find out that whoever the local party apparatchik may be, he owns them, body and soul, and if they don't like they way they are treated they can lay down their pickaxe and go talk to that jackbooted thug over there with the shotgun. Your political ideology has consequences, Ted, you just have no understanding of how hard they are going to hit you, because you can't be bothered to learn about history.

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Carl Allison 2 months, 1 week ago

Read Section IV of Executive Order 13603 of March 15, 2012 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf .

Scared yet? If not, you should at least be concerned.

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Ted Paulk 2 months, 1 week ago

Jeez! Please Mr. Editor, please stop publishing this crazy, wild-eyed bull!!! Some low IQ readers may actually believe these LIES and become totally depressed. Oestmann, do these silly and hateful visions come to you in the night thru some kind of intermediary...Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh perhaps?
"Saul Alisnky is the President's bible"!! You teabaggers tell us he is a Muslim. How can he have a bible? I am at a loss for words to think this appeared in our local paper.

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Ronald Hamric 2 months, 1 week ago

Ted,

Still trying to join the adults in debate eh? Sorry, you still cannot bring civil discourse to the table so your personal opinions are mute. When you get tired of being a "loser" then your views are more than welcome.

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Ted Paulk 2 months, 1 week ago

Ha ha ha ha...don't quite get the respect you're accustomed to, eh?

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Ronald Hamric 2 months, 1 week ago

Respect is earned. I note that as hard as you tried to earn some via your service to your country, you have pretty much destroyed any chance you will ever get any around here.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

Ronnie, you keep bringing up my service. I haven't mentioned it in over a year except to ask why the teabaggers hate the American Legion here in Payson so much. As Battalion Commander, which you seem to love to tout, of Disneyland, I can only guess at much a-kissing went on from your lower staff. trt

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

Nah, Ted; when we don't, we just consider the source.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

(Sigh.) Since you don't understand the concept of a metaphor, Ted, I will explain it to you: The Koran is the "Bible" of Islam. Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" is the "Bible" of the Marxist community organizer (and, incidentally, several presidents and their Marxist Mafia infesting the Senate). The Communist "Rules for Revolution," supposedly found by Allied forces in 1946 may be a hoax, but the reason the alleged hoax is so effective is because the list of "Rules" given in the hoax is exactly the game plan (aka "Bible") of the Old Communist Party, the New Communist Party, and the covert Neo-Marxists that have been infesting our federal (and many State) governments since the close of WWII. They were designed by Lavrenty Beria, First Deputy Premier of the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin, and the most ruthless murderer (short of Stalin himself) ever to hold office in that bogus dictatorship. The use of these "rules" have already achieved the first phase of the Communist Plan; to wit, putting a majority of their covert apparatchiks into the U.S. Senate so their Manchurian Candidate, the incompetent sock-puppet Barry Soetoro (alias Obama), cannot be tried on Articles of Impeachment. Clearly, you are not "at a loss for words" when a legitimate alarm is sounded in our local paper; you do exactly what Marxist apparatchiks and their useful idiots always do when their game is exposed: Hurl vile epithets at the messenger in hopes that no one will take him seriously, and he will take his hurt feelings and go hide. Newsflash, Ted: Ain't going to happen: We know your game and the game of those you support, and we will stand toe-to-toe with you in every forum in the land if necessary and slug it out. Your game is done, Ted.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

You need to read something besides the teabagger line. I looked up old Saul, who died in 1973 by the way, since you keep throwing his name around. His philosophy was "change from within to make the world better". Kind of like the famous quote, "Some people see things as they are and wonder, 'why'. Others see the way things as they should be and ask, 'Why not?'. You haters think because the man's name, Saul Alinsky connotes Jews and Commies, you can use this as a scare tactic...won't work on smart people...by the way, The only "game" I have is exposing the TRUTH...you should expand your horizons. You are so boring with your same old tired lines.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

If you think that was Saul Alinsky's philosophy, you are a bigger fool than I thought you were. Saul Alinsky's set forth his philosophy on the first page of his "Rules for Radicals": "What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away." Note he did not say "how to earn it," or "how to improve your life by establishing a work ethic," or "how to build a better mousetrap." No, he said "how to take it away." People who support the political ideology you support, Ted, are not people who want to produce anything, or enhance anyone's living standard, or improve the economy. They, like you, would rather "take it away" from those who do produce, who do enhance the living standard of all, who do improve the economy. Maybe you should stop being so negative and start producing something people want, instead of supporting the robbery of everyone else so you can feel like a charitable person. Oh, by the way: I don't know if Saul Alinsky was a Jew or not; I never thought about it and I don't care. But yes, I do hate what Commies stand for, because they stand for tyranny and oppression, and their ideology justified one of the major holocausts of around 20 million people, as well as the tyranny and oppression of many times that number. And here is one of their ideological slogans, from Vladimir Lenin himself (quoted, BTW, by Saul Alinsky): “They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet."

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Dale Oestmann 2 months ago

Ted, since you appear clueless, Teabaggers happen to be male Democrat voting queers! Tea Partiers are American Citizens concerned about the Marxist Dictator destroying our country! Apparently you did not take my advice to actually read Alinsky and Cloward/Piven. All Marxist radicals determined to destroy the country.

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Carl Allison 2 months, 1 week ago

Well jeez Ted! It's a comments section. If you honestly feel that a viewpoint opposing the Obama and liberal camp - no matter how absurd - should be banned, you should try living in some of the countries where that's the way things are done. North Korea, Venezuela and Iran come to mind. Otherwise, enjoy the tumult of a free society. After all, it's what our forefathers fought for.

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Ted Paulk 2 months, 1 week ago

You apparently missed the part about the low IQ readers.

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Carl Allison 2 months, 1 week ago

Oh, I didn't miss it. I just didn't know that it was a self-reflection on your part.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

No, we didn't miss it, Ted. It is the typical excuse wannabe tyrants have always used, since time immemorial, to control the flow of information so they could work their will on the people with impunity. We see through you, Ted, because we learn from history.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

Your description of "wannabe tyrants" sure sounds a lot like Ted Cruz and the teabaggers in general. Got the wrong Ted here chief.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

I don't accept your juvenile perjorative "teabagger" as a label for the Tea Party, Ted; you need to grow up and discuss or debate issues like an intelligent adult. You can start by explaining to me how a fundamental requirement that elected officials honor, respect, uphold, defend, and constrain themselves to the delegated powers conveyed to them by the U.S. Constitution, translates to "wannabe tyrants." The purpose of the U.S. Constitution is to prohibit wannabe tyrants from exercising power they don't have. You want wannabe tyrants to exercise power not delegated to them, thus oppressing the rights and liberties of the people and creating a tyranny. Can you do that, Ted? Can you justify your ideology under the rule of law? Can you explain to me how prohibiting the robbery of innocent people who work hard to survive and provide for their families makes one a "wannabe tyrant"?

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Ted Paulk 2 months, 1 week ago

Dear Ya'll, I had my interest piqued by Mr. Ostemann's ref to Saul Alinsky. I never heard of the guy until the conservatives started throwing his name about and so I went to several sites; one being Snopes. Well, it seems that Ostemann copied his letter he sent to the Roundup, word for word, from an e-mail that has been circulating for some time. O did NOT come up with this BS on his on. It is not found in Alinsky's writings, it is from the Communist Rules for Revolution and Alinsky never subscribed to this. You should be ashamed Ostemann to copy WORD FOR WORD a lie that is on the internet. Don't you realize that plagiarism is dishonest...do you care? As for the rest of you "brain trusts" who, like Bill O'Reilly, keep patting yourselves on the back and telling each other how smart you are...I wish you would make the debate more interesting with some facts instead of just shouting teabagger slogans. Love, Ted

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Ronald Hamric 2 months, 1 week ago

Ted,

There's that "teabagger" invective again. Is that a practice you and your wife partake in? Must be since you are so hung up on that word.

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Dale Oestmann 2 months ago

Ted, Ted, Ted, Can you get up from bowing at your your altar to the Great Messiah long enough to grab a copy of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, and actually read it with a semi open mind? You will see that the widely disseminated quote I posted in the paper is a succinct short version of "Rules For Radicals" .Saul Alinsky was a professor at the University of Chicago and one of Obama's mentors. Cloward and Piven were Obama's mentors at Columbia. You might also want to read their theory of how to destroy the country. Barack Obama's first political fundraiser was in the living room of unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist bomber Bill Ayers who is also a professor at U of Chicago and a long time mentor of Obama. You might also want to check out his teenage mentor, and possible actual biological father, card carrying Communist Frank Marshall Davis.

You may find that your "First Black President" is exactly what I describe, a wannabe Marxist Dictator!

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

Wow, you have enlightened me and shown me the light with your references to people most of us have never heard of.

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Dale Oestmann 2 months ago

If you have never heard of Cloward & Piven, Alinsky, domestic terrorist bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, you must to be a victim of the union controlled public schools where history was not taught. Apparently that may be the reason you are an ignorant Obamabot. If you really care about our future, you need to read about the rise of the Third Reich, and then tell me what the difference is between Obama and Hitler. There is NONE!

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

The fact that you have never heard of them, Ted, is why you don't have a clue what your ideology, and its main messiah currently infesting our White House, really stand for.

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jeff durbin 2 months, 1 week ago

Dear Ted, You and others who are convinced that Obama and his polices are wonderful will leave a short and unkind legacy. You are nothing but a puff of smoke. Basically, it appears you and your kind fully support abortion, destroying Christianity and keeping the general public ignorant while favoring Marxist policies. Just because Obama may have a bible doesn’t make him or you a follower of Jesus. I agree that Hilary will finish what Obama has started and you and the rest of us will suffer all because you and others like yourself had a hard heart. What benefit has Obama done that you are willing to praise him forever? All I see is destruction and fools supporting him as with Mandela.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

Support for Mandela caused destruction!!! You can't hide your racism anymore. Don't know how you came up with the idea that I'm "destroying Christianity". I pray to God every night and thank him for his blessings, including the fact that my wife now has finally gotten health insurance; a "benefit" from Obama. You think I have a hard hear??? Have you looked at how your party treats the poor?

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

Our party treats the poor with a great deal of respect: Our party supports the principles our nation was founded upon, and those principles, made into the rule of law, resulted in an improvement in the living standard and personal liberty, personal sovereignty, of the average working man, woman, and child in this nation more than they had experienced in the previous 25 centuries. (quoted from the book "1900", describing the period of time from 1800 to 1900.) And then the banking cartels got their hooks into us again and in 1913 illegally and fraudulently robbed us of our monetary system in which workers received wealth for their labor instead of debt. Oh, and BTW: Just because someone doesn't like communists who push their agenda by "necklacing" their political opponents (tying their hands behind their back, hanging a spare tire around their neck, pouring gasoline into it, and setting it alight) doesn't make them "racist" if the object of their scorn happens to be black.

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don evans 2 months, 1 week ago

Hey people. Show some respect. After all Obama is our first black President. Paulk and his ilk think we should all give the Obama a pass on everything he says and does. Fall to your knees and whip yourselves, you conservative scum. Paulk has told us he is the local American Legion Vice Commander, and a Veteran. Fall to your knees and whip yourselves, you conservative scum. He has told us that many Payson residents are encouraging him to run for Mayor in our next election. He has told us that Tea Party adherents are conservative scum teabaggers. As a fund raiser for his possible election run for Mayor, perhaps he could charge a nominal fee for giving a training seminar on what teabagging really is, what it means for him, with practical demonstrations. His politics and ideology will extol the positive aspects of teabagging and ingratiate himself to a special interest group of voters. As for his above mantra for Hillary becoming the POTUS in 2016. Watch the movie, The Mummy Returns. That's all you need to know about her life story.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

Gee, Donnie, It seems you remember EVERYTHING I've ever written, not correctly of course, but I am so flattered that I have made such an impact on your...let's see , "thought process" can't be right, but something that is in your head seems to hang on to my musings. Sorry, I can't return the favor, I read your silly rants and then forget them...after shooting them full of holes of course. You should have someone explain this to you.

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Ronald Hamric 2 months, 1 week ago

Okay, I need to get this out there as it has been playing on my mind for some time. It really came into focus when Ted Paulk started his invective laced diatribes against anyone and everyone who disagreed with his socio/political ideology. Now mind, you I don't expect every American citizen to agree on every aspect of current American socio/political discourse. Ain't gonna' happen. But what I wonder about is how someone like Mr. Paulk, and any number of untold others, who served two tours in Viet Nam, can then embrace an ideology for America that is practically the equivalent of the very ideology of those he fought against in that conflict? Progressive/socialism has far more in common with pure Communism than it does with the Constitutional Republic's principles which our founders left us with. Since we lost that conflict, Viet Nam is now a total Communist state. I thank Ted and every veteran for their service to their country, but for the life of me I cannot understand how they have so easily embraced the very ideology they put their lives at risk to defend this country and others from. Guess I will never get a satisfactory answer to that question. We've simply become too polarized and divided, much as was pointed to in the original post. But Ted, if you can offer a respectful response, the floor's all yours. I would have asked you the same if we had ever pulled off that "beer summit" you spoke of.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

I can offer one theory. It is probably not true in every case, but I've seen it often enough that I have to give it some credit. I knew a helicopter gunship pilot who served several tours of duty in Viet Nam, and he was one of the most progressive (read "Marxist useful idiot") I've ever met. He proudly bragged to me that he got more downchecks than anyone in his unit for making that helicopter do things its manufacturer said it could not do, and the mechanics in his unit were constantly griping over the extra work he caused them by actually exceeding the design envelope of the aircraft and popping rivets and tackwelds. He was proud of this, and now he was a CEO of some kind of design company, and he bragged about how all the "conservatives" in his employ said his ideas "couldn't be done," but he always made them do it anyway. There's your answer: Ted Paulk's kind of people are people who don't believe in rules, don't believe in limits, don't believe in hard and fast rights of anyone if those rights get in the way; don't believe in anything that gets in their way. It is a form of rampant narcissism, the type exemplified by the squadron commander in the movie Apocalypse Now who bragged "I just LOVE the smell of napalm in the morning!" The kind of guy who doesn't give a damn how many men he loses as long as he gets the glory for completing the mission.

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Ted Paulk 2 months ago

The only "conflict" in the Vietnam war was that the most powerful nation in the world killed 3 to 5 MILLION poor people who had been oppressed by the French for a hundred years before WWII. Ho Chi Minh was our ally in WWII, and yet we turned on him. These poor farmers were fighting for their country and I am ashamed I was ever involved. READ THE REAL HISTORY OF VIETNAM, while your spending time spinning yarns. PS, as stated before, the Tea Party was an honorable group of men that helped Amerca gain it's freedom. The teabaggers are a group of pseudo KKK members trying to push their agenda of anti-immigration, anti-poor, anti-women's rights, and pretty much every other topic that shows some charity for the less fortunate.

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Ronald Hamric 2 months ago

That guilt has really warped your mind Ted. Perhaps it is you who should see that "shrink" you wanted to drive us all to see in the valley. You are on meds, right? Surely they don't let you run loose without them.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

Oh, Ted, you make yourself sound so foolish with your hateful diatribes against a group of people you clearly know nothing about. We are not "anti-immigration," "anti-poor," "anti-women's rights", and we are certainly not opposed to charity for the less fortunate. In the order listed, we believe there should be immigration reform, so long as the border is secured first. Illegal aliens in our country is not "immigration;" it is trespassing and an illegal invasion, many of which are violent criminals and many MANY of which are middle easterners. (And BTW, many of us really feel sorry for the "Dreamers," the people who were brought here as infants and had no say in the matter: They are really, sadly, "people without a country" and if a way of resolving their issue can be found that will not open the door to con-game artists taking advantage, most of us will probably support it.) "Anti-poor"? Not hardly! We think they should get out and go to work for a living and justify the air and space they are taking, and we think they should earn a living wage, but we think they should produce more than they earn so they can justify employment. That takes work and dedication to bettering oneself; it doesn't happen when you are paid for doing nothing with money robbed from someone who is working and has a family to support. Stop robbing business blind; stop setting minimum wages so high no one can afford to hire them, and let's get the economy going so the "poor" has a path to bettering themselves. "Anti-women's rights"? What have you been smoking? We believe fully in the right of women to THE SAME PAY AS MEN DOING THE SAME JOB. We also believe women have no right to murder their children any more than a man does. And we are incredibly in favor of charity as long as it is from the heart and not robbed at gunpoint or under threat of incarceration by a tyrannical government agency that has no Constitutional right to exist in the first place. In other words, Ted: We believe in liberty and responsibility for all under the rule of law. We don't believe in being dictated to by a bunch of Adam Henries who believe more in buying votes than they believe in charity.

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Meria Heller 2 months, 1 week ago

Don't forget Barry's cousin George Bush the idiot king. Came in with a surplus, left with a huge deficit and two illegal wars...there is only one party out there folks: the party of the rich and corporations. We only get "theater" from the puppets in charge....

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Ronald Hamric 2 months, 1 week ago

You are so right. I am 71 and I have a hard time remembering a president of either party that I can honestly say I felt served their country well. I'll start with my Commander-in-Chief, JFK. It wasn't until well after his death and the media brought down the Camelot façade, that we really learned what was going on outside our view. And we learned just how partisan and biased and manipulative our supposed "Free Press" was.Then LBJ, who foisted the false Tonkin Gulf resolution on us and tried along with his Secty of Defense McNamara to run that whole fiasco in SE Asia from the oval office only resulting in the crook Nixon hauling us out of there in defeat but with 54,000 plus dead Americans as a result. Nixon was despicable, enough said. Ford,...Eh!, Carter, triple digit inflation and double digit interest. Reagan, nice guy when he could stay awake. Happened to be the POTUS when the USSR finally bankrupted themselves. George H.W. Bush, the old CIA war horse whose legacy is "Read My Lips, No New Taxes". Gee, a lying GOP politician if there ever was one. Clinton, more moderate than most from his party, but couldn't keep his libido in check. Actually had impeachment filed against him for lying under oath. The supposed leader of the free world for crying out loud! G.W. Bush, first term had the White House, the House, and the Senate initially and still got steam-rolled by the other guys. 2nd term he was a totally marginalized failure and is probably the primary reason for the huge growth in the "registered Independents" since that time. Obama. One only has to look at the polarization and divisions in this fractured nation to see just what his legacy will end up being. Yes. Hardly a one that one can actually say lived up to the office they were intrusted with. And ANYONE who is dense enough to believe it can all be fixed by simply voting in one or two new folks every couple of years has been availing themselves of too much of that Rocky Mountain High weed. We are screwed and have been for decades. Will be very painful setting it right, even if we have the national will to do it.

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

In terms of "we only get theater from the puppets in charge..." you are mostly right. But here is a newsflash for those who think poorly of all those "rich and corporations": What, do you think all those "rich and corporations" have all their wealth in a basement vault collecting dust? You think they go around collecting money right and left and tucking it away where it is not available to anyone? Ain't true! "Rich and corporations" have their money out there in the market place, paying wages, investing in business, generating jobs, developing inventions, supporting education, supporting charities -- in short, PRODUCING. Making the economy work! The first thing dictatorships do when they take over a nation, especially Marxist dictatorships, is confiscate all the wealth -- and don't think for a minute they divvy it up among the people. No, they keep it for themselves, and everyone else can go starve, and face a firing squad for disloyalty if they object. No Marxist dictatorship has ever survived in the history of this planet without a constant infusion of cash from capitalist nations who know how to PRODUCE, and who have an incentive to PRODUCE called "profit." It was true of the Soviet Union from 1917 to 1991, and it is true of China today. (I have my own gripes against corporations; I don't think corporate officers should escape accountability for decisions made in the name of the corporation that deprive people of their rights -- like no weapons allowed on premises open to the public, for example. But that is a different issue.)

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Nancy Volz 2 months ago

You all have been very entertaining! I can't stop laughing at some of the things written here by both "sides." Too bad you all take sides instead of coming up with solutions, but it sure is fun to read!

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Donald Cline 2 months ago

We have a solution, and we are advocating it: Government officials, every single one from the president to the local dogcatcher, should obey the Constitution of the United States they are sworn on their honor to uphold and defend. There is no problem facing our nation that could not be resolved by that solution.

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