Ronald Hamric

Ronald Hamric 1 week, 3 days ago on Lawmaker’s lawsuit is simply reckless

It generally gets my dander up when people start off their position by proclaiming "compassion and caring" as their motives, and admonishing any that disagree with them as simply the opposite, "uncompassionate and uncaring". Just so that everyone voicing their views on this topic appreciate just what ALL Americans have contributed to those less fortunate, simply read this article or the many just like it.

Seems pretty obvious to me that we as a nation are on the wrong track in dealing with such social issues as "the poor" or as it is coined in political terms "poverty" (a description/label that is by its very nature, dynamic).

I would ask those that support a continuation of the approach begun by President Johnson and his administration all those years and trillions ago, just how much is it ultimately going to take? In real $$$$ adjusted for inflation, to satisfy all those "caring and compassionate" folks that the scrooge taxpayers are contributing enough. I sense the figure will be such that through that very taxation approach, it will simply add even more folks to the roles of those at or below the poverty level.

My view? If history has demonstrated to us ANYTHING, it is that our reliance on the Federal government to actually solve or resolve many of our social issues, is on it's face, a fool's errand. We, as a nation need to find a different approach as ALL the evidence points to an abject failure of the Feds to fix this problem. Ultimately it all comes right back to our declining moral foundations in this nation. You are NOT going to fix ANY of the problems until you re-establish the fundamental moral foundations that made this country the "shining light on the hill " it once was. Try starting under your own roof.


Ronald Hamric 1 week, 6 days ago on Lawmaker blasts EPA for spill

Mel, I agree with you 100% on requiring businesses to have mitigation set asides. That simply require legislation as you indicated. What I don't agree with you on is the approach that simply throwing more money at education, the EPA, etc,etc. will resolve all the problems we currently face in this nation. Simply look at the War on Poverty. Trillions of our taxpayer dollars spent since Johnson signed the legislation and we have more people in poverty and more Americans totally off the employment roles than ever before. Giving more money to bureaucrats at either the state or Federal level is like putting money in a black hole. Certainly there has to be other solutions as our reliance on government simply is NOT working. "The definition of insanity is doing the very same thing over and over again expecting different results".

"Arizona can't pay for the education of our children, repair of unsafe bridges, or even buy back the State Capital building. " "The real problem is all the roadblocks and lack of funding legislators like Rep. Bob Thorpe keep putting in the way of the EPA." C'mon Mel, those are your words and I did not put them in your mouth. Own up to what you say big guy.


Ronald Hamric 1 week, 6 days ago on Beware of arrogance

Mr. Frommelt,

Do appreciate that this "arrogance" has been with us for some time as it exists in the present. A quote from Edward Gibbon in his The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)..." Fully to apprehend this important truth, let us attempt, in an improved society, to calculate the immense distance between the man of learning and the illiterate peasant. The former, by reading and reflection, multiplies his own experience, and lives in distant ages and remote countries; whilst the latter, rooted to a single spot, and confined to a few years of existence, surpasses, but very little, his fellow laborer the ox in the exercise of his mental faculties. " Vol1 Chapt 9, pg.205

I believe Mr. Gibbon clearly demonstrates the the type of "elitists" attitude that we are witness to from so many of this nation's supposed "leaders". We are in a time when our "leaders" are products of our institutions of higher learning where their indoctrination and world views iminate from the teachings of some university professor whose entire worldview is obtained via books and literature, and with practically no actual worldly experience personally. The current leaders of our military institutions are in that group of "students" and they are prosecuting the defense and protection of this nation with a mindset implanted by some "elitist" who has never spent one minute in actual defense of this nation and it's citizens. I would imagine our prospective enemies must be immensely satisfied with this current state of our condition.


Ronald Hamric 2 weeks, 1 day ago on Lawmaker blasts EPA for spill

So Mel,In your above post you pretty much alluded to the belief that all the issues you stated can be "fixed" by simply throwing more money at these agencies. Would you care to share with the rest of us just how much money YOU think would ultimately be the right amount? Since all the money YOU think is needed for all the government programs YOU think are the cat's pajamas will come from ALL us taxpayers, not just Mel Mevis, then we deserve to know just what that amount is so we can decide whether we pay our bills or fund the Federal bureaucracy. I'll wait for that number Mel.


Ronald Hamric 2 weeks, 4 days ago on Save Fossil Creek

Demonstrated human nature being what it is, it appears you are looking to have your cake and eat it too. The costs associated with keeping that area "pristine" yet still allow access, will be far, far more than any of the local businesses will make off of the visitors. I often hear the Roundup point to the Tonto Natural Bridge as an example of what could be done for Fossil Creek. Seriously? The Tonto Natural Bridge is still having to continually deal with people who do not pick up after their dogs, litter the place, and continue to violate the rules even with signs posted through out. Now magnify that by a factor of 40 and one can get some idea of the challenge of policing those visiting Fossil Creek. Sorry, but the reality is you either close it completely or accept that it's "pristine" condition will gradually be destroyed because it will literally be loved to death.


Ronald Hamric 2 weeks, 5 days ago on Educational myopia?

Mr. Meszar,

I do hope you appreciate that from the point "legislative cronies" was inserted into your recommendations, your advice lost all credibility.


Ronald Hamric 3 weeks ago on New funding model not necessarily the answer

Mr. DeVirgililo,

"This is what's behind the decimation of public schools " I see that claim quite often in these debates over education and it's funding. My question to you and others who take such a view is this, why is there such a strong desire for parents to take their kids out of the Public Education System and even though it personally costs more, to put those kids into privately run schools. Even the majority of our elected representatives do not send their kids to Public Schools. I sense "vouchers" are a resulting effect, not a cause. As to the "attacks on teachers unions", where should one focus their attention except on those who are supposed to be the "professionals" in the field of education? The tired old approach of simply give us more money has run its course. It seems that in light of the trillions spent on Public Education our students can't compete on a global scale even with those kids from 3rd world countries. No, I believe we don't have a money problem, we have an education administration problem.


Ronald Hamric 3 weeks ago on Payson losing good jobs

I understand where you are coming from. As well I understand where Mayor Evans is coming from. I think where we having differing views is sort of the "chicken and egg" conundrum. Which comes first to this region, industry that provides for employees to be able to afford to live in this area, or an existent, necessary amount of a skilled labor pool that will attract and meet the needs of that industry? Those "industries" that have come to this area often bring their skilled workers with them so it has very little impact on the local job market for those looking for such occupations.

And as a student demographer I am not convinced the "there will have to be business growth or you die on the vine" concept is as viable today as it was say, 40 to 50 years ago. I think if no one else saw that coming change Del Webb certainly did. Our population has changed in it's age and character and some of the old tried and true axioms regarding municipal sustainability simply are not as viable as they were in times past. Now I think we can all agree and point to some of the causes for the change in the ability of the younger folks to realize the American dream, but one need only look at the former industrial cities back east and their current conditions to become convinced that this isn't the same old America. And the impact of the retiring Baby Boom generation is part of what is playing into the changes. Their numbers are huge and they will have an impact on where ever suits their desire to spend their retirement years.


Ronald Hamric 3 weeks, 1 day ago on Payson losing good jobs

Pat, I think to a degree you are right. Large corporations become successful by anticipating demographic shifts and growth. There is always a certain element of risk involved but if they are large enough they can absorb a certain number of mistakes in that approach. That they anticipated the university pursuit becoming a reality may very well have played into those decisions, but all one really needs to look at to see what the region reflects is the census bureau stats. Those stats WILL change. Always do. But I still stand by my view that I offered to Richard Haddad all those many years ago.