Tuesday October 25, 2016
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I think most that post on this forum have had equal experiences. I went to elementary school in Boulder, Colorado and dearly loved that small college town. You literally could not get me back to that town today unless I was in a pine box. It is NOTHING today like it was when I was growing up there.
When I finished my tour in the Marine Corps, my folks still lived in Boulder and my Mom thought I should come back home. If you remember what took place during the early 60's, then you can understand why I told her I could/would not, because the home I left no longer existed. I chose to stay in California and make my way there. It took some adjustment, but back then even Orange County California was not even near what it has changed into over those many years. We simply cannot stop change. As sure as the sun rises, change will occur.
Good for you. It falls to the ethical hunters to police our 10%+ that for whatever reason just simply can't abide good ethics and following the laws. Many in your situation would have taken the "It's not my job" approach and let it go at simply observing these terrible acts. That you put yourself forward and took the ethical stand it very commendable in my view. Stay safe out there. The real predators often have only two feet.
Since the "unions" have been a Democrat Party stalwart for decades, are you being a little disingenuous in blaming them ("the unions invested in them")for helping create the Private Prison system we have?
As to the "War on Poverty" one of your parties Presidents (LBJ) implemented one years ago. From current research, it is mostly still in place and very much still trying to make a difference. Depending on what source (usually politically or idologically slanted) one accesses, it is not clear as to whether or not it has made any positive impact on poverty rates across the nation after trillions have been invested. But be assured of this, the money is STILL being funneled into that program whether it is viable or not. Those darn bureaucrats must pay their bills, you know.
By the way, cocain comes from a plant. Some Central and South American cultures have been chewing cocoa leaves for centuries to avail themselves of the resin coating on the underside of those leaves. Opium comes from a plant as well. Your point is?
You will not get an argument on that point from most any enlightened person. As with alcohol prohibition, it will not work with drugs either. So, in a sense, we are saying with all the downsides we already are aware of from alcohol use and abuse, we are okay with adding another element to that terrible social scourge. I get it! But as I have said about this issue, just like with our experience with legalized alcohol, anyone who thinks we are NOT going to experience similar social problems that will come with it, they are simply wishful thinking. Many of the same problems we are having with drugs being "illegal" will not go away when they are legalized. Just that after all the years of U.S. polticians watching the drug cartels making billions off those drugs, those very politicians could care less about the social costs of drug use, they simply want to channel those profits away from the cartels an into their personal political slush funds. All their altruistic professions about "individual freedoms" is a bunch of bunk. It really is ALL about the money. Nothing more, nothing less.
As to your issue with flag etiquette. If one is going to display our National Ensign then it falls to them to know just in what circumstance and what manner they should display it so that it does not demean or belittle what that flag stands for/represents. Ultimately it is a multi-colred piece of cloth. But it is what that symbol represents that makes it's treatment special over every other piece of colored cloth.I think within the last several years we have seen reports of people using the flag in an inappropriate manner in order to display their disatisfaction with the only nation that would permit such a desicration with impunity. There are also those who for patriotic reasons also display the flag in an inappropriate fashion, but mostly out of ignorance and with no intent to demean the flag. Flag shirts and bandannas come to mind. It's that old 1st Amendemnt thing again. Personally, if I witnessed such an act of willful desecration, I would most definately end up with assault and battery charges filed on my person and pay a stiff penalty for my reaction. Wouldn't stop me, but that is the reality of where we find ourselves. One of the conundrums of "Freedoms" and "Rights" is that there will always be people who abuse those "freedoms" and "rights". I don't know how we throw out the bath water on that issue without throwing out the baby. If your have an ACCEPTABLE to all solution, lets hear it.
What you posted above is no revelation to anyone who has ever attended such events. We are not talking about the reality that they have been doing it for decades, just whether or not it is appropriate in those venues. Tom, did some research on how it all came to be, and as I suspected, it was mostly tied to the times the nation's were at some sort of risk, and the stimulation of patriotic fervor and unity at any gathering helped with national morale to help get through the difficult time and circumstance. I get it! But now that some overpaid boys and girls have seen fit to use that activity as a means of expressing their displeasure with whatever, I say simply cease playing the anthem at those sports business functions and then see what those cry babies do then. Why provide them with the opportunity to spit in America's face or wipe their butt on the Stars and Stripes?
And Pat, you really need to bone up on the very principles that this great country was founded upon. Mr. Eby has every right to use the very 1st Amendment rights we all have, to openly express his views. Whether or not you, I, or anyone else agree with those views. Your "my way or the highway" really is getting old and tiresome. You have on more than one occasion shared your views on what you dislike about whats happened to your beloved Payson over the years. If it is that bad, why don't you leave? Or are you applying a standard to others that you do not feel applies to yourself as well? I hope you don't take my points literally or personally. Most all would rather stay put for all the positives and do our level best to correct those things that we see as negatives. So you really are no different in that vein than the rest of us. And if anyone on this blog uses their 1st Amendment rights to express their views, it is you. And I served this nation for 4 years in the Marine Corps as a way of protecting and defending those rights, FOR EVERYONE.
When I was in charge of our Joint Powers Training Center during my fire service career, I had a sign on my desk that read "EXPECT CHANGE!" Again, whether we see it as a positive or negative, NOTHING ever stays the same. If it did, you would still be living in the Payson of your youth.
To assist in making my point in the above post.
Having spent some time in Canada, I can tell you that they do play their natrional anthem before the start of their sporting events. Having also seen some of the world olympics in the past, they too play the gold medal winner's country national anthem. Seen it at a lot of "Football" soccer matches around the world as well. Having said all that. I still have no idea of the origins of that practice. And as I stated above, it is my view that such be left solely for "patriotic" events. A person attending such an event should be under no illusion as to what they will experience. But a sporting event? Really?
And you might want to research the individual and collective effects of "patriotism", lets say, during a period such as this nation/world went through in WW2. It is a very deep seated emotion for many and can cause them to do things that, in any other circumstance, they might not otherwise be inclined to. I sense that is one of the reasons so many well meaning leaders and outright despots use that very emotion to advance THEIR causes and goals. It works.
Yes, a term too often used and too often ignored. It is well documented tthat not everyone who experiments with pot, or any drugs, automatically become addicts. Many simply try them a few times and walk away from them. It is also well documented that a large percentage of hardcore drugs addicts begin their journey by using pot. It is going to be very difficult for you, or anyone else ,to convince those who have considerable experience and exposure to the abuse of illicit drugs , to make those folks believe what they were witness to and experienced was some fluke, simply because you have not had similar experience yourself.
And I agree that the war on drugs is an abysmal failure. It was doomed from the start by the very nature of failed human beings and the ready availabilty of substances that permit them to escape the realities of their world. In today's world condition, one can hardly blame them.
It should be played at events that are celebrations of this nation. You know, 4th of July celebrations, parades, military gatherings and patriotic events such as that. Sports is a business along with being entertainment. Heck I remember a time when the national anthem was played at the drive-in theaters before the feature started. They don't do that any more. So you tell me why a sporting event qualifies as some patriotic event. And you are hardly one to speak of anybody disapproving of everything. Touche' Pat.
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