Jane, I am sorry, but I could not disagree with you more.
Saying that we should overlook a little bad because of all the good that has been done is like saying "Overall, Mrs. Lincoln really enjoyed her evening and the play, except for that one part..."
Do you really believe we have individuals on the board without any personal political agendas? REALLY? I think it is fairly obvious we have individual(s) on the board that have obvious personal agendas... too bad it is not a PSWID agenda.
And Jane, how can Tom Weeks no longer enter into contractual agreements to sell gas, when there have never been any contracts to purchase gas?
Acting morally and ethically does not take an attorney on paid retainer. Acting Morally and Ethically is not something you accept a 75% success rate at.
Why did Mr. Lovetro contact the school board and tell them they might want to avoid doing business with Uncle Tom's Texaco because it might be a conflict of interest? Is that a personal agenda? What business did a PSWID Water Board Member have to contact the school board?
Why have we still not seen receipts for the remainder of the $9000.00+ in purchases Mr. Greer Made?
Why does Mr. Greer say he brought the Credit Card charges to the attention of the district accountant, and yet the district accountant says she brought the charges to Mr. Greers attention?
Why has Mr. Lovetro repeatedly stated he only knew about the Credit Card issues AFTER his October 17th meeting to discuss the conflict of interest issue... Yet Rebecca, the district accountant, clearly stated she brought the issue to the attention of Mr. Greer and Mr. Lovetro in July?
Why do the legal reports presented at the meeting of 12/6/12 vary in that Arizona Revised Statutes are quoted in the opinion against the conflict of interest regarding Uncle Tom's Quikstop... Yet the relevant Arizona Revised Statutes are not mentioned in the presented opinion about Mr. Greers misuse of PUBLIC FUNDS? The Statues I cited above are clear... Why are they not mentioned?
That you choose to overlook these issues and questions is your decision. I cannot overlook them and I will not overlook them.
I would suggest you read sections 13-2103 and 13-2105 of the Arizona Revised Statutes, regarding receipt of anything of value obtained by fraudulent use of a credit card; which clearly states "If the value of the property bought or received or attempted to be bought or received is two hundred fifty dollars or more but less than one thousand dollars the offense is a class 6 felony."
Additionally you can look at sections 35-301. which "describes duties and liabilities of custodian of public monies; violations;" as well as sections 35-302, which describes "Public Money".
As to what Mr. Lovetro has done, I feel this is more of a personal opinion as to if one feels he is fit and trustworthy to be a board member. In my opinion, Mr. Lovetro has intentionally mislead in attempting to cover up and distract from the issues surround the Credit Card. In the Meeting of 12/6/12 Mr. Lovetro CLEARLY states that he only became aware of the Credit Card issue AFTER his meeting 10/17/12 with Rebecca the accountant and Mr. Terrens, the Attorney. Yet that same night, not 45 minutes later, Rebecca was speaking in defense of Mr. Greer and states that she found the charges in July and immediately brought the issue to the attention of Mr. Greer and "The Chairman". Is this an intentional lie? Is it a misstatement? At the very least it creates legitimate questions and concerns.
If you don't feel Mr. Lovetro has done anything wrong, then please help clear these questions up. Some of these charges go back to June. Mr. Greer did not make restitution until November. 5 Months. And we still have no receipts for the remainder of the charges that verify they were for district business.
It seems a few days have given Mr. Greer time to reflect and to see how his actions have divided the community and that he has finally realized that he in incapable of being an effective PSWID Board Member. This reflection has lead to Mr. Greer's resignation from the PSWID Board today.
Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to become a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.
Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction as well. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contacting other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.
Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.
Mr. Lemon, I support what you have said and the questions you have raised and appreciate how you have ASKED questions, rather than simply repeating what you may have heard as "Fact".
To address several of your points -
1 - Tom Weeks, from what I know, did turn over partial ownership and day to day operation of Uncle Tom's and Pine Ice to His Daughter Laura Miranda and her Husband Freddy in 2003. This was several years before Tom became a PSWID board Member.
2 - Pine Ice has a 1" service connection and pays "Commercial" rates for their water supply. During the November meeting, to the best of my knowledge, Laura stated she was not looking to be reimbursed for the lost production and lost revenue from Pine Ice due to the turbidity of the water... she was only looking for reimbursement of her water bills for the two months they had turbidity issues and had to dispose of many tons of product. Their water bill was considerably higher than a residential homeowner would face.
Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to be a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.
Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction to PSWID moving forward. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contact other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.
Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.
I have word from reliable sources that Mike Greer HAS resigned today. I am not sure of what day his resignation will take effect, but it is my understanding the the open board seat will be advertised in the Roundup Starting tomorrow.
Well, the recording of the December 6th meeting was just posted on www.waterforpinestrawberry.com , and it turns out I was NOT mistaken.
Mr. Lovetro starts discussing at the 3:00 minute mark of the recording how he had a meeting Oct. 17th with "Our attorney and Becky", presumably Mr. Terrens and Rebecca, the CH2 Accountant, regarding the POSSIBLE Conflict of interest involving Mr. Tom Weeks and Uncle Tom's Texaco.
At the 3:40 mark Mr. Lovetro begins discussing how he knew about the POTENTIAL Conflict of Interest BEFORE he even had knowledge of the Credit Card issue with Mr. Greer.
How very interesting then to hear the CH2 Accountant, Rebecca, state at the 47:07 minute mark of the recording state how she brought the illicit Credit Card charges to the attention of Mr. Greer, AND THE CHAIRMAN in July.
When Mr. Greer was asked during the meeting, at the 1:07:20 mark by Mr. Melvin Palmer, when he (Mr. Mike Greer) had paid the money back that had been used illegally, at 1:07:38 Mr. Greer states clear as day that he doesn't remember... but he goes on to say that it was some time in November.
July.... to November.... 4 Months. Interest free. Having the PSWID resident be his personal bank roll. And remember, this was not one charge, it was MULTIPLE charges. Bass Pro Shops, NY Steak House, Sidewinders, etc.
Residents of Pine and Strawberry, I submit to you that if these apparent lies and misdirections are not causing you outrage... then you are not paying attention to how your money is being ABUSED.
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 1 week ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
Well said John.
Ric
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
Jane, I am sorry, but I could not disagree with you more.
Saying that we should overlook a little bad because of all the good that has been done is like saying "Overall, Mrs. Lincoln really enjoyed her evening and the play, except for that one part..."
Do you really believe we have individuals on the board without any personal political agendas? REALLY? I think it is fairly obvious we have individual(s) on the board that have obvious personal agendas... too bad it is not a PSWID agenda.
And Jane, how can Tom Weeks no longer enter into contractual agreements to sell gas, when there have never been any contracts to purchase gas?
Acting morally and ethically does not take an attorney on paid retainer. Acting Morally and Ethically is not something you accept a 75% success rate at.
Why did Mr. Lovetro contact the school board and tell them they might want to avoid doing business with Uncle Tom's Texaco because it might be a conflict of interest? Is that a personal agenda? What business did a PSWID Water Board Member have to contact the school board?
Why have we still not seen receipts for the remainder of the $9000.00+ in purchases Mr. Greer Made?
Why does Mr. Greer say he brought the Credit Card charges to the attention of the district accountant, and yet the district accountant says she brought the charges to Mr. Greers attention?
Why has Mr. Lovetro repeatedly stated he only knew about the Credit Card issues AFTER his October 17th meeting to discuss the conflict of interest issue... Yet Rebecca, the district accountant, clearly stated she brought the issue to the attention of Mr. Greer and Mr. Lovetro in July?
Why do the legal reports presented at the meeting of 12/6/12 vary in that Arizona Revised Statutes are quoted in the opinion against the conflict of interest regarding Uncle Tom's Quikstop... Yet the relevant Arizona Revised Statutes are not mentioned in the presented opinion about Mr. Greers misuse of PUBLIC FUNDS? The Statues I cited above are clear... Why are they not mentioned?
That you choose to overlook these issues and questions is your decision. I cannot overlook them and I will not overlook them.
Kindest Regards,
Ric Hawthorne
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
Oh, and Ms. Wilcox, Glad to hear you are feeling better today. Hope the Hip Replacement works well and you have a speedy recovery.
Ric
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
Ms. Wilcox,
I would suggest you read sections 13-2103 and 13-2105 of the Arizona Revised Statutes, regarding receipt of anything of value obtained by fraudulent use of a credit card; which clearly states "If the value of the property bought or received or attempted to be bought or received is two hundred fifty dollars or more but less than one thousand dollars the offense is a class 6 felony."
Additionally you can look at sections 35-301. which "describes duties and liabilities of custodian of public monies; violations;" as well as sections 35-302, which describes "Public Money".
As to what Mr. Lovetro has done, I feel this is more of a personal opinion as to if one feels he is fit and trustworthy to be a board member. In my opinion, Mr. Lovetro has intentionally mislead in attempting to cover up and distract from the issues surround the Credit Card. In the Meeting of 12/6/12 Mr. Lovetro CLEARLY states that he only became aware of the Credit Card issue AFTER his meeting 10/17/12 with Rebecca the accountant and Mr. Terrens, the Attorney. Yet that same night, not 45 minutes later, Rebecca was speaking in defense of Mr. Greer and states that she found the charges in July and immediately brought the issue to the attention of Mr. Greer and "The Chairman". Is this an intentional lie? Is it a misstatement? At the very least it creates legitimate questions and concerns.
If you don't feel Mr. Lovetro has done anything wrong, then please help clear these questions up. Some of these charges go back to June. Mr. Greer did not make restitution until November. 5 Months. And we still have no receipts for the remainder of the charges that verify they were for district business.
Kindest Regards.
Ric
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on Pine board member won’t resign
Pine board member won’t resign
MIKE GREER RESIGNS
It seems a few days have given Mr. Greer time to reflect and to see how his actions have divided the community and that he has finally realized that he in incapable of being an effective PSWID Board Member. This reflection has lead to Mr. Greer's resignation from the PSWID Board today.
Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to become a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.
Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction as well. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contacting other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.
Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
To Mr. John Lemon,
Mr. Lemon, I support what you have said and the questions you have raised and appreciate how you have ASKED questions, rather than simply repeating what you may have heard as "Fact".
To address several of your points -
1 - Tom Weeks, from what I know, did turn over partial ownership and day to day operation of Uncle Tom's and Pine Ice to His Daughter Laura Miranda and her Husband Freddy in 2003. This was several years before Tom became a PSWID board Member. 2 - Pine Ice has a 1" service connection and pays "Commercial" rates for their water supply. During the November meeting, to the best of my knowledge, Laura stated she was not looking to be reimbursed for the lost production and lost revenue from Pine Ice due to the turbidity of the water... she was only looking for reimbursement of her water bills for the two months they had turbidity issues and had to dispose of many tons of product. Their water bill was considerably higher than a residential homeowner would face.
Kindest Regards,
Ric Hawthorne
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to be a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.
Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction to PSWID moving forward. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contact other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.
Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
The Board opening is already posted on the PSWID Website.
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.
I have word from reliable sources that Mike Greer HAS resigned today. I am not sure of what day his resignation will take effect, but it is my understanding the the open board seat will be advertised in the Roundup Starting tomorrow.
Keep your eyes open for NEW developments.
Ric Hawthorne 5 months, 2 weeks ago on Pine board member won’t resign
Pine board member won’t resign
Well, the recording of the December 6th meeting was just posted on www.waterforpinestrawberry.com , and it turns out I was NOT mistaken.
Mr. Lovetro starts discussing at the 3:00 minute mark of the recording how he had a meeting Oct. 17th with "Our attorney and Becky", presumably Mr. Terrens and Rebecca, the CH2 Accountant, regarding the POSSIBLE Conflict of interest involving Mr. Tom Weeks and Uncle Tom's Texaco.
At the 3:40 mark Mr. Lovetro begins discussing how he knew about the POTENTIAL Conflict of Interest BEFORE he even had knowledge of the Credit Card issue with Mr. Greer.
How very interesting then to hear the CH2 Accountant, Rebecca, state at the 47:07 minute mark of the recording state how she brought the illicit Credit Card charges to the attention of Mr. Greer, AND THE CHAIRMAN in July.
When Mr. Greer was asked during the meeting, at the 1:07:20 mark by Mr. Melvin Palmer, when he (Mr. Mike Greer) had paid the money back that had been used illegally, at 1:07:38 Mr. Greer states clear as day that he doesn't remember... but he goes on to say that it was some time in November.
July.... to November.... 4 Months. Interest free. Having the PSWID resident be his personal bank roll. And remember, this was not one charge, it was MULTIPLE charges. Bass Pro Shops, NY Steak House, Sidewinders, etc.
Residents of Pine and Strawberry, I submit to you that if these apparent lies and misdirections are not causing you outrage... then you are not paying attention to how your money is being ABUSED.