Ric Hawthorne

Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on Pine board member won’t resign

MIKE GREER RESIGNS

It seems a few days have given Mr. Greer time to reflect and to see how his actions have divided the community and that he has finally realized that he in incapable of being an effective PSWID Board Member. This reflection has lead to Mr. Greer's resignation from the PSWID Board today.

Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to become a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.

Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction as well. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contacting other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.

Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.

To Mr. John Lemon,

Mr. Lemon, I support what you have said and the questions you have raised and appreciate how you have ASKED questions, rather than simply repeating what you may have heard as "Fact".

To address several of your points -

1 - Tom Weeks, from what I know, did turn over partial ownership and day to day operation of Uncle Tom's and Pine Ice to His Daughter Laura Miranda and her Husband Freddy in 2003. This was several years before Tom became a PSWID board Member. 2 - Pine Ice has a 1" service connection and pays "Commercial" rates for their water supply. During the November meeting, to the best of my knowledge, Laura stated she was not looking to be reimbursed for the lost production and lost revenue from Pine Ice due to the turbidity of the water... she was only looking for reimbursement of her water bills for the two months they had turbidity issues and had to dispose of many tons of product. Their water bill was considerably higher than a residential homeowner would face.

Kindest Regards,

Ric Hawthorne

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.

Mr. Greer, Thank you for your service to the PSWID, the effort and hours you put in, and for doing the right thing in resigning and recognizing that your actions have caused you to be a serious distraction moving forward. You have done what is necessary to be accountable for your actions on the board and I hope you will continue to be open and forthcoming with any possible investigations into your misuse of public funds.

Mr. Lovetro, It is time you follow Mr. Greer's example and step up and recognize that you are a distraction to PSWID moving forward. Your actions as Chairman, in my opinion, are reprehensible. You have been more interested in practicing CYOA and in distracting the public than you are in chairing an efficient organization. You have attempted to mislead and misdirect people away from the serious issues of the misuse of district funds by attacking and directing unnecessary charges against a fellow board member. You have practiced underhanded tactics by contact other area boards and encouraging they steer business away from another board member. You have either seriously misspoken or flat out lied about when you knew about certain actions by claiming you did not know about Mr. Greer's illicit credit card charges until after your October 17th meeting with Rebecca and Mr. Torrens, Yet Rebecca stated clearly during the 12/6/12 meeting that she had made you aware of the situation in July, 2012.

Mr. Lovetro, please do the right thing and resign as a member of the board. If you do not resign, residents of Pine WILL begin recall proceedings against you to ensure that your brand of bullying and obfuscation will not be tolerated in the PSWID.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.

I have word from reliable sources that Mike Greer HAS resigned today. I am not sure of what day his resignation will take effect, but it is my understanding the the open board seat will be advertised in the Roundup Starting tomorrow.

Keep your eyes open for NEW developments.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on Pine board member won’t resign

Well, the recording of the December 6th meeting was just posted on www.waterforpinestrawberry.com , and it turns out I was NOT mistaken.

Mr. Lovetro starts discussing at the 3:00 minute mark of the recording how he had a meeting Oct. 17th with "Our attorney and Becky", presumably Mr. Terrens and Rebecca, the CH2 Accountant, regarding the POSSIBLE Conflict of interest involving Mr. Tom Weeks and Uncle Tom's Texaco.

At the 3:40 mark Mr. Lovetro begins discussing how he knew about the POTENTIAL Conflict of Interest BEFORE he even had knowledge of the Credit Card issue with Mr. Greer.

How very interesting then to hear the CH2 Accountant, Rebecca, state at the 47:07 minute mark of the recording state how she brought the illicit Credit Card charges to the attention of Mr. Greer, AND THE CHAIRMAN in July.

When Mr. Greer was asked during the meeting, at the 1:07:20 mark by Mr. Melvin Palmer, when he (Mr. Mike Greer) had paid the money back that had been used illegally, at 1:07:38 Mr. Greer states clear as day that he doesn't remember... but he goes on to say that it was some time in November.

July.... to November.... 4 Months. Interest free. Having the PSWID resident be his personal bank roll. And remember, this was not one charge, it was MULTIPLE charges. Bass Pro Shops, NY Steak House, Sidewinders, etc.

Residents of Pine and Strawberry, I submit to you that if these apparent lies and misdirections are not causing you outrage... then you are not paying attention to how your money is being ABUSED.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on Pine board member won’t resign

Points I found interesting in last nights meeting and questions that still remain:

  • During Mr. Lovetro's opening monologue, he stated that he had been looking into the possible conflict of interest regarding Tom Weeks prior to his finding out about the illicit Credit Card usages, which he became aware of in late October upon his return from a vacation. Yet later in the meeting, when the PSWID accountant was offering testimony on Mr. Greer's behalf, she stated she found the irregularities on the Credit Card in July, and brought it to Mr. Greer's and Mr. Lovetro's attention at that time. So unless I am mistaken, Mr. Lovetro seems to have been aware of this issue 3 months prior to when he admits he did.
  • We still have heard nothing regarding receipts that prove what Mr. Greer's so called "Legitimate Purchases" were for. Simply saying that the charges were to Home Depot, and therefore they MUST have been for district purchases does NOT pass the smell test. Having Purchase Orders means nothing if you do not have receipts to back them up. Any business owner knows this.
  • Why do we have an attorney present at the meetings?
  • Attorneys bill by the hour and I am certain Mr. Torrens is not attending these meeting for free. Is he on retainer? Was the expense of having an attorney present at board meetings voted on by the district board members?
  • Whose interests are Mr. Torrens really looking out for here?
  • Does the Fire Board have an attorney present at all of it's meetings?
  • Does the school board have an attorney preset at all of it's meetings?
  • Are our board members treading such a fine line that having an attorney oversee all meetings is a necessity?

Something is fishy here. Very fishy. As the saying goes, if you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.

Mr. Lovetro, Your treatment of one of the longest serving ELECTED board members was deplorable, and as Chairman, leaving it up to Tom Weeks to thank Mr. Don Smith for his years of service was a telling window into your character. Furthermore, I found it extremely interesting that one of your first orders of business was in calling out Mr. Sam Schwalm for stating on his website that he was a board member and proclaiming how you had Mr. Terrens draft a letter to Mr. Schwalm stating he cannot claim to be a board member until he takes his seat in January. Mr. Lovetro, are you aware that on the PSWID Website, under the "Board of Directors Info" listing, Mr. Schwalm is listed as a "Board Member"?

Mr. Lovetro and Mr. Greer, unless you are both incredibly tone deaf, I think you heard last night that an overwhelming amount of people in the PSWID area do not support your actions. If both of you gentlemen truly are only interested in doing what is right... then resign... and save us all the time, effort and money that a recall will entail.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on Please show support for an individual who did the right thing

Questions we should be askingl. -

  • Why isn't Mr. Greer being asked to reimburse ALL charges to the credit card that he has not provided receipts for? Without receipts are residents merely expected to accept the word of Mr. Greer and Mr. Lovetro that the charges were for PSWID materials?
  • Why is Mr. Lovetro more interested in protecting Mr. Greer than he is in securing the publics trust in the PSWID Board?
  • If Mr. Lovetro seriously had issues with a possible conflict of interest with Mr. Tom Weeks, and he was looking into it prior to Mr. Weeks bringing to light Mr. Greer's illegal use of the credit card, why did Mr. Lovetro only bring his concerns to light AFTER Mr. Weeks spoke and in an obvious attempt to deflect attention away from Mr. Greer's abuses and not during any time during the previous 2 years that Tom has been on the board? Is it any great secret in Pine the Tom owns Uncle Tom's Texaco Station?
  • Why is it the Mr. Lovetro seems to have an personal agenda that is being imposed on the PSWID board members and PSWID customers?
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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on My opinion: Time for a new beginning in PSWID.

I had posted this on another thread, but feel it bears re-posting here.

Mr. Lovetro seems to think that since Mr. Greer reimbursed the district for $2290.00, give or take a little, and "Apologized" for his actions, all should be forgiven.

NOT SO! Without having any receipts, Mr. Greer should be forced to reimburse the entire amount charged to the card. Simply by saying "Home depot charges were for PSWID business" does not cut it. He could have been buying gifts for friends, power tools for himself, materials for his own home, any number of things, and I for one am not willing to merely accept his word that they were "PSWID Purchases". If we don't have receipts... we have no proof.

Secondly, Mr. Lovetro seems to think of the PSWID as his on little fiefdom and that running things by intimidation and tit for tat accusations is the way he can get what HE wants out of the PSWID. Mr. Lovetro, the PSWID is set up for the betterment of the community, not for you to feel a sense of empowerment. You are personally responsible for making a small community organization a hostile environment where your own petty issues are played out in soap opera fashion. The stories and rumors surrounding the PSWID are unbelievable, and as a resident of Pine, I can say that we are too small of a community to be having these issues ruin what should be a straight forward organization.

Turbidity? No Problem... they have these crazy things called Filters. Problem solved. Tetra Tech recommended them and was set to install them, that is until Mr. Lovetro made dealing with the PSWID so uncomfortable that Tetra Tech washed their hands of us.

Mr. Greer and Mr. Lovetro BOTH need to step up and do the right thing... resign.

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Ric Hawthorne 2 years ago on Hate seems to consume letter writer

Robert Bird. Life Long Democrat who passed away a few years back... known a "The Conscience of the Senate"... Oh, and Card Carrying member of the KKK and a Klan "Recruiter" during his 20's and 30's... But he saw the error of his ways.

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