Donald Cline

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Donald Cline 1 month ago on Thank you former governor

You have too short an attention span for a list that long, Ted. It runs to many pages, over 20,000 State and federal laws, not one of which is authorized to the federal government to enforce, and every one of which is prohibited to the States to enforce. You can start with the current abomination of background checks in violation of your 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendment rights and an a priori restraint on your 2nd Amendment right. Then you have many States requiring government permission to exercise the right (and then only if you first waive your 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendment rights). You have the federal government telling you where, when, and under what circumstances you may and may not keep and/or bear arms, whether you may do so openly or concealed, or that it MUST be openly or concealed, depending on the State. And now you have subversive insurrectionists like Michael Bloomberg taking the next step of requiring private transactions to violate their 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendment rights. Tell me, Ted: What other right do you have that requires an interrogation under threat of criminal prosecution, and a search of your otherwise private records, as a precondition to receiving (or being denied) permission to exercise it when government has no authority at any level to issue or deny permission to exercise a right in the first place?

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Donald Cline 1 month ago on Free exercise of religion

I think you used the wrong word, there, Jeffrey. You said the current events have less to do with "religious freedom" than they do with "tolerance." Well, not really. The response by the unprincipled, at least, has less to do with "religious freedom" than with "political correctness." That's how leftists, and totalitarians in general, restrict principled behavior: They call it "intolerant." In actual fact, the fundamental principles of liberty says business owners can choose to conduct business, or refuse to conduct business, with whomever they wish who will conduct business with them, for any reason or no reason. Similarly, shoppers can choose to conduct business with whomever is willing to conduct business with them, and their choice may be for any reason or no reason. I hate to break it to the anti-liberty types on this forum, but intolerance is a right, just as is tolerance. One person's principles is another person's intolerance. Deal with it. Unless you would rather live in a lockdown dictatorship in which no one has any right to choose for any reason or no reason.

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Donald Cline 1 month ago on Free exercise of religion

Exactly the problem, Meria: The churches ARE being taxed, or if not, it is because they have gone hat-in-hand to the IRS and requested non-profit status, which the IRS will allow only so long as the church does not engage in political free speech against government policies. Government noted how effective the churches were in advocating and prosecuting the American Revolution; they don't want a repeat of that fundamental liberty.

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Donald Cline 1 month ago on Governor duplicitous

I wouldn't be too holier-than-thou, Ted: You support Zerobama and Killary, so obviously you don't know pathological liars when you see them. Either that, or you don't care, which might be more likely given your political ideology.

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Donald Cline 1 month, 1 week ago on Governor duplicitous

Laugh it up, Ted. As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. Ducey is not a Tea party Republican. He's a liar.

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Donald Cline 1 month, 2 weeks ago on Opinion about guns

And I would defend your right to express them, Ms Freeman ... with force of arms, if necessary. Can you tell me what right you would have to express your views, Ms Freeman, if you were to somehow succeed in depriving me and the other members of our nation of sovereign citizens of their right to keep and bear arms? Can you tell me what right you would have to, say, cross State lines on vacation or business without a government-issued permit? What right would you have to live where you wish, work where you wish at a job or career of your choice, if you, and the rest of us, are unable to defend your right to do so with force of arms, Ms Freeman? Indeed, what right would you have to publish a letter in this newspaper without first completing an interrogation as to your "upstanding citizenship," and then a search of your records to find out if you were telling the truth in the interrogation? What right would you have to submit a letter to the editor without first obtaining permission from your neighborhood party apparatchik? Ever heard of your right to due process? Ever heard of your right to be secure from being compelled to undergo an interrogation and search before receiving (or being denied) permission to exercise a right, Ms Freeman?

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Donald Cline 1 month, 2 weeks ago on Sen. Allen’s ‘off the cuff’ church comment

Be nice to Sylvia Freeman, guys, unless you know something I don't know (and you may). She sounds like what the Aussies call a "newchum" who knows nuttin'. Sylvia, I hope you read these forums and respond, because it is necessary for you to get a lesson in "immorality." "Immorality" is when you allow someone to be murdered, raped, robbed, assaulted because you think it is "immoral" to carry the means of self-defense in public. It is a heavy responsibility, but it is not "immoral." I hope you read this, because I and other citizens on this forum would like to know what skewed events in your life gave you such a skewed outlook on "morality." We'd like to politely offer you justification for adopting a more moral philosophy.

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Donald Cline 1 month, 2 weeks ago on Sen. Allen’s ‘off the cuff’ church comment

Did she hear of what, exactly? The bogus idea that only a State divorced from morality is a good State? And "let her go" where for all of us? I rarely agree with your far-left positions, Meria, but I usually understand them. This time it is no sense you are making.

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Donald Cline 2 months, 1 week ago on Heading toward the bottom

Oh, in case you think it won't work, take note that the first one hundred years of our country, according to the authors of the book "1900" published at the turn of the century, the average working man, woman, and child improved their living standard more than anyone in the world had improved it in 25 centuries. The lowly laborer could earn enough money (real money of intrinsic value, not worthless paper that represents debt to the international bankers) to put six kids through high school. High school graduates could earn enough to put six kids through college. College graduates could earn enough to put six kids through University. There was a constant migration from lowly laborer up through captains of industry. Why? Because the money was of intrinsic value, not debt money, and because no one -- even the few who truly deserved it -- expected something for nothing. It was considered shameful to accept charity. And yet, people who needed help received It from their churches, their communities, their fellow man and woman -- not government, stolen from other people at the point of a gun.

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Donald Cline 2 months, 1 week ago on Heading toward the bottom

Tell you what, Mike: I'm going to give you a really startling tip on how you can really help turn Arizona around into a State with a thriving economy, plenty of jobs available, excellent well-funded schools, and one in which the poor will find themselves awash in abundance ... well ... provided they are willing to work for a living instead of sponging off everyone else: Start voting for true Republicans -- not RINOs, not Democrats in Republican feathers, and certainly not Marxists pretending to be Republicans. Start getting involved in politics and start voting to force the federal government to give Arizona the 70-some-odd percent of the State land it owes us so we can manage it and husband it and derive revenue from it. Vote against every freebie program that some leftist doofus comes up with, because every one of them steals money and jobs from the productive sector and gives them to people who see no point in producing anything if they can get paid for doing nothing. Oppose any legislative attempt to rob a person who produces value for society to grow with on the theory that he "owes" his talents to someone who can't or won't work, and whines that "It's not my fault." Now, don't think I am not compassionate to the poor: The economy that the above will produce will make it really hard to be poor. The poor would really have to work at it to remain poor. And for those who truly deserve assistance, either permanently or a temporary hand up instead of a hand out, the economy would be so productive churches and charity groups would have all kinds of funds to help them out with. Americans are the most generous people on the face of the Earth, if Marxist doofuses will get the heck out of the way and LET THEM PRODUCE and LET THEM KEEP THEIR EARNINGS ON WHAT THEY PRODUCE! In other words, Mike, Capitalists produce jobs and a roaring economy. Socialists produce debt. Decide which side of that fence you are on and quit complaining. Start producing something and make yourself worth the air you breathe and the space you are taking up.

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