Sunday December 8, 2013
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Doesn't matter, Ted. If she lives in Payson she can circulate a petition to be placed on the ballot in Gila County, specifically northern Gila County. All she needs is a driver's license or water bill.
Oh, Noble. As usual, your lack of principles are showing.
Hitler did not commandeer his role as leader; he was appointed Chancellor and had his Brown Shirts intimidate the Reichstag until they passed the Enabling Act of 1933, giving him the authority to make law without involving the Reichstag -- using the same technique Barry Soetoro, alias Barack Obama, used to intimidate at least ten Democrats to vote for his ObamaCare package by threatening martial law, riots in the streets, and other terrible consequences if they didn't. This is on the Congressional Record.
Health Care was indeed begun in 1883 by Otto Von Bismarck. Hitler subverted it to the study of eugenics in an effort to prove the Aryan Race was superior to someone, anyone, especially the Jews. The effort failed miserably, but he never released that information.
No, Hitler did not originate firearms restrictions. Just like every other genocide in history, the government first imposing the firearm restrictions was the government prior to the one conducting the genocide. Hitler merely tightened up the firearm restrictions and applied them against the factions of people he wanted to scapegoat, after first drumming up hatred for those factions with propaganda -- just like Barry Soetoro, alias Obama, is doing with his government apparatchiks proclaiming Christians, Constitutionalists, Tea Partiers, and returning veterans are or might be "domestic terrorists."
That's why the American people en masse will not comply with federal color of law imposing gun control or henceforth, any other legislation without Constitutional authority. The rogue occupation government can go pound sand.
And BTW, the updated German Nazi Weapon Law Hitler passed to disarm the Jews and anyone else not sucking up to his Third Reich, when translated to English, is nearly a word-for-word analog of the Gun Control Act of 1968 written by Senator Thomas J. Dodd. And we know Dodd had access to a copy.
Obama didn't originate gun control either, but he sure as heck wants to Hitlerize it, doesn't he?
It is not Rep. Brenda Barton who should apologize to her constituents; it is Noble Collins who should apologize to anyone suckered by his leftist propaganda straight from the Marxist playbook.
Mr. Weige: As I said on another thread, just give him time. He hasn't yet hit his stride.
Give him time, Ted. Barry Soetoro (alias Obama) hasn't yet hit his stride.
Oh, and a newsflash for the low-information types: ALL the insurance companies are cancelling policies because they don't meet the new higher standards required by ObamaCare, which provides coverage people do not want or need -- like maternity coverage for sixty-year-old women, etc. They are replacing these policies, based upon what people want and need, with "expanded coverage" policies at greatly expanded cost based on what some Marxist thug in Washington has determined people want and need.
This is the failure of socialist/Marxist central planning: It never meets the needs of the people and always costs five times as much, because the issue is never "needs;" the issue is always "control."
ObamaCare is a job-killing, freedom-killing, healthcare-killing, Marxist monstrosity designed to destroy the U.S. economy and allow Barry Soetoro's internationalist Marxist handlers to move in and take over. ObamaCare is not a trainwreck; ObamaCare is doing exactly what it was designed to do. If you don't like it, don't sign up for it, and it will collapse of its own weight.
Meanwhile the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has told the States to withhold funds from their EBT card vendors until further notice (I have a copy of the letter). If that order is not rescinded, the cities will explode in violence along about the middle of November, and Soetoro will have the (color of) justification for the Martial Law he and his handlers have been lusting for.
Uh ...newsflash for the low-information types: We live in America. Unlike any other country of the world, we have the fundamental right to make disrespectful comments and assertions of anyone in office. In fact, unlike any other country in the world, we have the absolute right to accuse anyone of corruption so long as the public has a right to know and as long as we can prove our charges or prove we believed the charges to be true and conducted our due diligence to be certain of it. Try that in any other country in the world, even if you can prove it, and the politician MIGHT lose his job over it (no guarantee) but he CAN sue you and he can win and he can force you to pay him damages for costing him his job. if "Political Correctness" was written into the U.S. Constitution we would still be paying homage to a mentally-ill monarch. Instead we are a free country because we can speak our mind and if government doesn't like it, government can go pound sand.
I agree with Rex, Mel. As I mentioned to you before, Arizona was gerrymandered by a Democratically-dominated committee to destroy Republican influence. The Tea Party sued because of it, and unfortunately lost. You and I making progress (no, not the "progressive" kind) on another thread so don't take this personally, but you ought to get your facts straight or people will ambush you.
I have no argument with you about McCain, none. The man is a RINO of the first order, and the only time he acts like a Republican is when he is campaigning. God help us if he ever becomes President, but I'm afraid if he runs again he will lose to a Marxist Mafia-man on steroids (if we have another election; I don't think Obama is going to allow it). This is how the elections are manipulated; we have come to voting for the lesser of all evils, and third party candidates siphon votes away from any good candidates, and we always wind up with evil: Worse evil with every election. (Kudos to you for not voting for him, but it didn't make any difference: It was a Hobson's Choice.)
I agree with your definition of Internet troll, and given your engagement in this discussion, you are not one. The two other threads on this forum in which you have responded to me fit that definition exactly. Your postings here do not, and neither do mine. You are engaging in political discussion -- and this is not even really a debate because you haven't taken anything I've said and countered with opposing argument. All you have done is given me your personal impression of it, and that's okay. That means I am making sense to you, and you aren't quite ready to accept the fact that you have been lied to since you were in knee pants. That's okay too; I've been there done that: When I first discovered something wrong with what I had been taught since I was a kid, it took me six months of hard research to convince myself it was true. And I was lucky; I'd just returned from four years in Australia, which has a patently communist political party and I was ready for the information because I couldn't figure out why our government was so much like theirs. That was 38 years ago, and I've been studying it every since, and I have learned what is going on and who is running the show, and I'll tell you who that is someday if you ask. It ain't who you think.
Your last paragraph confuses me. I get that you live in the Rim area, and in Payson, but I don't get what you mean when you say "I own them." FWIW, I live near Payson. I'm going to have to put my avatar on my profile; it is on all my other profiles.
Good to talk to you again.
Part 2: By today's standard, Mel, based on what you have said, you ARE a "mainstream moderate." But that is because you comport with 75% of the ignorant fools out here in the real world who have been drinking the leftist Kool-Aid for so long they have NO CLUE what our country is supposed to be, where their "liberties" come from, or how they are being destroyed systematically by a cadre of internationalists who don't give a flying Frisbee for your (or my)political ideology: They will sell you whatever Ponzi Scheme you will buy as long as you let them gain control over your choices and your life increment by increment until you are required to lick their boots and anything else they want you to lick in order to exercise the privilege of living another day in their world.
As it happens, the "Progressive ideology" is what people have been buying since before the Gunfight at the OK Corral, and that's what they are selling. "Progressive" is pure-dee Socialism, which any Marxist who lapses into truth for a half a second before catching himself will tell you has no purpose beyond setting the stage for the violent Marxist revolution. That's how Trotsky and Lenin and Stalin did it in the Soviet Union and it is how Hitler did it in Germany and it is how a long row of U.S. Presidents and lesser politicians and their bureaucracy is doing it in the United States -- and Kristallnacht, the Night of Broken Glass redux, is just around the corner. We've been on the verge of it three or four times now, and each time it was postponed by one fact and one fact only. Ask me and I will reveal that fact to you if you haven't figured it out.
If you compare your ideology, and its fundamental premises, to the documents that founded our nation and improved the lot of the average working man, woman and child in 100 years more than they improved in the previous 25 centuries, you will find your ideology -- the one that has been imposed on you without your knowledge or consent in the last fifty to one hundred years -- is so far-out to the left (and right; same thing) you are about to cut yourself on the very edge of the world. Let me put it to you this way: The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the founding premises of the framers of those documents is the "moderate" political theory for our nation. You are so far out from that you couldn't be reached with a bean from a bean-shooter. I'm hoping with these conversations you can be made to realize that. I am not engaging in hyperbole at all, Mel: I'm giving you facts you can research and confirm for yourself. Continued in Part 3.
Cancelled -- Put in the wrong order.
Thanks for getting back to me. It appears to me we may have more in common than you think: Your questions to me made it obvious you have been inundated with wrong information about people like me, probably for years.
I believe in respecting the Office of President of the United States too -- when he respects it. And when he respects the rule of law that created the government of which he is head, and which assigns to him the only, absolutely exclusive authority that he has, and as long as he endeavors to constrain himself to that authority and exercises no other color of authority. I'm afraid the current man occupying that office fails on all counts, and in addition is ineligible to that office by reason of his lack of natural-born citizenship. Most likely not born on U.S. soil, but definitely not born of parents who were both U.S. citizens as required by the Founder's definition of the term -- or so he claims. I think he is a liar when he says Obama Sr. was his father, but that is what he claims, so he convicts himself of his own ineligibility. If you wish to get into that argument, or any other, feel free to meet me on "A Recurrence to First Principles" blog at www.frdmftr.net/sv -- or here, if you prefer.
We may very well have lost more privacy under Bush than any other President save Obama, but I carry no water for the man who gave us the so-called Patriot Act. He was an incompetent fool, but at least he wasn't a Marxist -- although he assisted them greatly with that Act. He was every bit as anti-Constitution as Obama: "Stop bringing up the (G-D) Constitution to me! It's just a (G-D) piece of paper!" he said.
I see this President (I gag every time I have to call him "Obama;" his name is Soetoro) as very definitely worse than Junior Bush, who was only slightly better than terrorist organization "Institute for Policy Studies" member Clinton, who was much worse than the awful George H.W. "New World Order" Bush, who was in the bottom of the outhouse compared to Reagan who was fantastic compared to the incompetent Jimmy Carter -- Mel, every President since Taft has been carrying us down the slippery slope into socialism and Marxism, and Taft was no prize. The slope has gotten steeper and our speed faster with the last five or six, not including Reagan, who barely managed to hold our speed steady for his two terms, but he brought down the USSR, to his credit.
Continued in Part 2.
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