Sunday February 7, 2016
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By the way, to answer your question, KRIM posted it on their Facebook page within minutes of the incident occurring.
Pat, far be it for me to attempt to speak for Don or Ron, as they both speak quite eloquently for themselves. However, I believe the point is, that they are both, as well as are many others who do not post on here, perplexed as to why a news organization on the other side of the country posted the news of the shooting within hours of the incident, however, the Payson Roundup had nothing. It is irrelevant when the Payson Roundup is released, as the on-line version is changed, updated and current every day of the week.
News of the shooting was on social media within minutes. Not hours, not days, but MINUTES!
We cannot all live in a fantasy world where every social boundary, and every personal wish is entirely respected, and observed. News is news. The Payson Roundup is supposed to be in the business of reporting the NEWS. This shooting, whether, you, or I, or anybody else, like it, or not, is/was NEWS.
As for your comment to Mr. Evans regarding a picture, that was an ugly and nasty thing to say. Mr. Evans is NOT a ghoul, nor a gossip monger. His complaint was simply wondering why our LOCAL news source was usurped by a news agency on the other side of the country. Which is a valid question.
Finally, nobody is looking to "hash things out on here", people are simply wondering why our "award winning local newspaper" dropped the ball.
But of course Pat!!! It is no secret that the esteemed Publisher, as well as his Editor are diehard Kenny advocates!!
"Do you feel that the police officer, no matter what the circumstances were, was in any way responsible for the crash?"
Absolutely not! While my heart breaks for the loss of a young person, and for the devastation that his family, friends and loved ones must surely be feeling (and my prayers go out to them), he was the sole architect of his decisions.
If every single one of us sped up or drove erratically when a law enforcement vehicle was behind us, communities would be in chaos. The report indicates that initially the motorcyclist was not speeding and that the Officer did not intend to stop him. The Officer was merely pulling into traffic. However, the motorcyclist clearly had fear and/or concerns about law enforcement being behind him. Whatever those concerns were, they were compelling enough to make Mr. Breyette drive erratically, and dangerously, at a high rate of speed, in an effort to avoid law enforcement. Once he began driving erratically and at a high rate of speed, that "raised red flags" for the Officer, thereby indicating to the Officer that further investigation was merited.
Based solely on the facts in this story, in my opinion, all culpability falls on Mr. Breyette; and the Officer was in no way responsible for this crash.
Oh Pat, my goodness, I had quite a few more interactions with Mr. Voden than it sounds like you had. I would certainly not say that we were friends, however, we knew one another by sight and always exchanged greetings, and chat's. And, I still agree with Stephanie.
Mr. Voden made me very uncomfortable.
Of course, his wife has been in my prayers, as has Mr. Burnett's family.
For you to imply that one must choose sides in determining who to pray for is astounding.
Mr. Voden was a troubled man. For Mr. Burnett to have been shot 4 times, 2 of them IN THE BACK answers all of my questions.
For me, my prayers go out to all of them. Yes, including Mr. Voden. God will take care of the rest.
Tom, you say, "His point of view was obviously biased". That comment is so far beneath you and the integrity, and neutral and unbiased commentary that you normally put forth, that I am beyond astounded. You totally and completely disregarded Ms. Reidhead's previous comments that she had been actively involved in learning about and addressing the Rim Country water situation for a very long time; and simply focused on the fact that she garnered a small bit of information from a man who willingly put himself in the public eye and in it's crosshairs to participate in the democratic activity of our election. That is the man which you simply and categorically dismissed as though he were so much detritus under your shoes. Because he is not Kenny Evans, he is obviously biased and misinformed. Very, very disappointing!
You, yourself have repeatedly stated that you only come into Payson once, or at most twice a week. You do not watch the news. You do not actively and personally participate in Town events. You gather your information from internet research and the Payson Roundup. You don't even live in Payson! I, on the other hand, regularly submit FOIA requests to Town Hall for information. I regularly attend Town Council meetings, and those which I am unable to attend, I watch on-line. I have met, and interacted with Mayor Evans many times. I have met and interacted on many occasions, professional and social, with John Naughton and his wife, as well as with Pete Aleshire. I have met and spoken with many, many Town of Payson employees, who to a person, despise Kenny Evans, and yet live in fear of him and his wrath. I too, do extensive internet research, far, far beyond the Payson Roundup.
You have repeatedly invoked the Journalist's creed; which reads, in part, "While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of—truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability—as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public." Each of the attributes mentioned are not ones which can be applied to the Payson Roundup, nor to your most recent avowals of support for Mayor Evans. The Payson Roundup, by Pete Aleshire's own admission, does not commit to investigative journalism, rather, they have a lunchtime chat with Mayor Evans, and take his word as gospel. That is most assuredly NOT, objective or impartial. And most assuredly, it is NOT in the best interests of the public.
I am certain that you will now be angry with me, however, I am also equally certain, that once you go back and review, OBJECTIVELY, you will see that you have done a disservice to Mr. Roberson, as well as to Ms. Reidhead. Ms. Reidhead deserves to have all of her work, research, efforts and conclusions, respected, rather than dismissed simply because she garnered a lead on information which you don't deem to be a credible source.
I will have to go back and review the reports and resolutions; however, one thing that has remained embedded in my memory: The Council AT THE TIME, gave Mayor Evans the approval to act and make decisions for the Town ON HIS OWN. The deal with JFM went through, under those conditions.
Please remember that this was a Council which did not under any circumstances, question Mayor Evans. As a matter of fact, during the election when Su Connel was on the radio doing her candidate interview, and was questioned about the water deal, as well as about the sweetheart pool deal, she had few, if any, lucid, logical, intelligent answers. There was a lot of, "Uh gee, I will have to go back and read those reports, I don't know right off-hand". Once she was off-air, she received a phone call which was a blistering chastising from Mayor Evans. This is known because he could be heard by the others in the room!
Dolores Dailey, thank you from the bottom of my heart!! This has not been easy, nor has it been fun. It was compounded by having my reputation so severely impugned about my visit to the newspaper offices. Fortunately, the recipient of the heinous lies, knows me very well, and laughed off the stories, stating that the behavior that was mentioned would have NEVER been exhibited by me. One day, I will share it with you.
Kathie and Pat, initially, Chaparral Pines and Rim Club Golf Courses were using untreated (reclaimed or effluent) water to water their golf courses. Unfortunately, other entities had a claim on that untreated water; Payson School Athletic Fields, and Payson Golf Course to name a couple.
So, JFM Management (the company which managed Chaparral Pines and Rim Club Golf Courses) entered into a deal with Mayor Evans for the Town of Payson, in which they were ensured water for their golf courses at a rate of $2.06 per 10,000 gallons. Ostensibly this was to be the untreated water which results from the back-flushing of the screens at the head of the pipes going into the treatment plant. The back-flushing is necessary to remove dirt and debris which builds up against the screens leading into the pipes into the treatment plant.
The problem came in when the funds to build the treatment plant and to complete the laying of all the necessary pipeline, did not materialize. However, Chaparral Pines and Rim Club Golf Courses still required water, and they had a signed agreement facilitated by Mayor Evans, which ensured that they would pay $2.06 per 10,000 gallons of water to water their golf courses, regardless from where that water came. So, until the treatment plant is completed, and all the pipeline is laid, Chaparral Pines and Rim Club Golf Courses will be keeping their golf courses lush and green with the same water which Town of Payson residents are paying premium for to drink, and cook, and bathe. Well, that is, until the heat of summer kicks in and things start drying up, and Town of Payson puts us on even more stringent water restrictions.
Don? Seriously??? Are you REALLY asking if that is a coincidence?
Finally, Kathie, you ask, "why this entity was founded, why they are now being inserted into the deal, or what function they will serve?" It will only take a few words to answer that question...smokescreen, obfuscation, and multi-layers. You see, when the Rim Country Educational Alliance/Steve Drury, and then Mary Kastner, proved independent and uncontrollable by Mayor Evans, he had to create a different entity which was under his control. Hence, the Rim Country Educational Foundation and Mogollon Health Alliance were brought into the picture; however, people are starting to question those relationships, so, ooops, looks like he needs to bring another entity in to muddy the water some more.
Kind of like an episode of the Keystone cops. One door opens, another closes, and yet another swings to and fro.
I have opted to stay out of this discussion up till now, as my opinions are already quite well known. However, with the posts and comments of the last few days, I am no longer able to refrain from speaking out.
During the election, I called on my years of law school, as well as a great deal of tenacity and an absolute intolerance for corruption, and dug in for some extensive research. I utilized the Freedom of Information Act to obtain copies of the resolutions; as well as copies of emails between Mayor Evans and several people involved in this whole water debacle deal. I also spoke under condition of anonymity with several people. I spent more than 2 weeks, 8-10-12 hours per day reviewing, cross-referencing, researching, making notes and writing a report. Essentially, acting as a freelance journalist.
I offered that research, free of charge, to Pete Aleshire of the Payson Roundup. Not only did he tell me that, "the Mayor has already cleared all of this up", (hmmm, kind of like the fox guarding the hen house!!) but, an outright, ridiculous, bold-faced, egregious lie was then spread about my visit to the Roundup offices.
Tom, based on my deep respect for you, you know that I really dislike disagreeing with you, however, your comment, "Secondly the statement that it is the "same" water that Payson residents get is a misleading statement introduced during the election, something I've known all along." THAT IS ENTIRELY UNTRUE. The "untreated water" that the golf courses will eventually receive will be the backflow water that will be the result of a regular "back-flushing" of the lines to remove debris from the head of the pipeline. There will, of course, be no lines to back-flush, until such time as the treatment plant is completed and the pipeline is entirely in place. Therefore, until such time as the treatment plant is complete, and the pipeline is in place, in accordance with the agreement, Town of Payson is bound by contract to provide water to Chaparral Pines and Rim Club Golf courses, regardless of where it comes from. At this point, "where it comes from" is the same place that Town of Payson drinking water comes from, that we are paying premium for.
This is not speculation, or uninformed guessing, or false rumors. It is FACT. Based upon black and white, detailed reports which were issued by Town of Payson.
I too disagree with Tom's assessment of the Mayor. Honesty is most assuredly NOT what I see in his face. Nor is integrity what I see in his actions and behavior, as well as his treatment of people who can do nothing for him. I have a favorite quote, "You can tell a lot about a person by observing how they treat those who can do nothing for them". King Kenny only remembers and has regard for those he deems relevant to something he wants or needs.
As for the conflict interest: Why, one needs a chart to keep track of who is linked to whom, and what.
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