Monday January 23, 2017
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Tom, I have learned that some people would rather believe a thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory, than acknowledge common sense, logic, and scientific facts.
There are people who truly believe that there is a button on the cockpit panel, which a Pilot pushes, to release the chemicals which make up the myth of chemtrials. There is no way to convince these theorists that their theory makes absolutely ZERO sense! Those Pilots have family, friends, loved ones on the ground; to say nothing of the fact, that once their flight is over, those Pilots also live in the communities which are supposedly being "gassed". Trying to explain the concept of super-heated exhaust mixing with very cold air, creating ice crystals, thereby creating those lovely contrails, meets with absolute obstinate disbelief and an almost patronizing smile at the naivete of those of us who understand scientific concepts. I no longer try to argue with them.
OH MY GOODNESS!!! I had REALLY hoped that with Evans' loss, Pete Aleshire and the Roundup would FINALLY relinquish their membership in the Kenny Evans Fan Club.
"Vision, determination and grace...heroic vision"? Good grief Pete, are you going to apply for canonization for him next? Let it go Petey, your hero went down in flames.
Hasn't Payson had enough of Kenny's lack of transparency? Kenny is already on the Board which is providing interim funding for the "university" project, putting him on the Board that is on the receiving end of that funding would, quite simply, be a grievous conflict of interest.
When, oh when, is the Payson Roundup going to develop some objectivity, and journalistic integrity? The above editorial sounded like a 13 year old girl gushing abut Donny Osmond
Oh my goodness Payson Roundup, "a surprising upset victory"? Surprising to whom?
Woody Cline received more votes than Kenny Evans because he is an honorable man of character and integrity. A man that the voters believe they can trust to do as he says.
Hasn't Payson (and the Roundup) had enough of the lack of transparency from Kenny Evans? As Mrs. Kastner pointed out, Kenny Evans is on the Board which is providing interim funding for the "university" project, and now he wants to be on the Board that is on the receiving end of that funding. Hmmm, sounds like a conflict of interest to me...
Sorry Pat, I have been busy and forgot to check the board. I agree with Mary Kastner. Ask Craig why he is running. It is not fair to paint all politicians, and/or realtors with the same brush. Being a realtor is what Craig does, NOT who he is.
For that matter, I am running for Payson Town Council and I assure you that I have no personal agenda, other than for the betterment of Payson. And I am most assuredly NOT a
"politician". I just believe that if you want the right to speak up, you should be willing to step up.
Pat, given the fact that Craig Swartwood or Michael Hughes are our choices, there we go. I personally am voting for Craig Swartwood, as I believe that he has been in Payson long enough and has the knowledge, experience and integrity to get Payson back on track. Additionally, Michael Hughes has proclaimed that he intends to continue to follow Kenny Evans' vision. In my opinion, we have had enough of Kenny's vision, and it is time for some new people as Mayor and Council.
As for Kenny running for District 3 Supervisor; suffice it to say that I am voting Woody Cline for District 3 Supervisor. Woody is a cattleman. His roots go deep in the Rim Country and I believe that he too has the knowledge to do what needs to be done.
My contention that it is time for some new faces on the Council is exactly the reason that I decided to run for a position.
Pat, thanks for the kind words. I love your comment about your son, as that is EXACTLY how I feel. My faith and my actions are between me and my God. I don't feel the need to make a public display of it, nor tell the world about it. I would prefer to let my actions, my life and my behavior show who I am rather than making certain that everybody sees me praying (which I do, just discreetly).
Tom, I am happy to hear about your "epiphany", as it were.
Now, to get back to the original intent of this thread: "“The motion to affirm a moment of silence was essentially a motion to ban prayer, and that is exactly what the Satanic group out of Tucson wanted,” " I agree. (Especially in light of the fact that the satanic group is based in Tucson. What business does any organization out of Tucson have to do with Phoenix City Council business?) However, Given that prayer has been a part of Phoenix City Council meetings for more than 50 years, isn't it time to recognize that practice has (Lord I hate using this word!!) disenfranchised a large portion of the Phoenix population? I am certain that there are large numbers of Jewish citizens, Catholics, Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Pagan's, Satanists, as well as many others of which I am unaware, who are represented by the Phoenix City Council, however, do not pray in the manner of the Council.
While I personally pray every chance I get, I don't feel compelled to force anybody else to. When I go to a Council, or any other type of meeting, I always take a moment to myself to pray and ask for my God's guidance. I don't see a need for such a brouhaha. Simplicity!!!
Mr. Jones, I agree completely! A "moment of silence" is perfect! Gives those who wish, an opportunity to pray, and gives those who don't an opportunity to settle their thoughts, or go over their coming words, or just take a deep breath. A moment of silence does NOT have to be deep and profound!
While I know that my faith is correct for ME, I am not of the belief that I need to hit everybody else over the head with my religion to make them believe my way. Everybody needs to find their own way, and if I can help by example or deed, I absolutely will. However, I WILL not push my beliefs on anybody else.
Well, for personal reasons, I had decided several months ago to discontinue posting on this board. However, I have continued to follow it and this is a subject that I feel very strongly about. So….I’m baaaack!
I will begin by stating unequivocally that I am an Evangelical Christian. I believe in God, I have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior, and I know that I would not be where I am today without devout, and absolute prayer. That being said, I also believe strongly in separation of church and government; as I recognize that not everybody believes as I do. Whether someone is Christian, Jewish, Mormon, Buddhist, Hindu, Catholic, Agnostic, Atheist, Muslim, or any one of the thousands of other various and sundry religions out there; their beliefs matter. No more, nor less, than mine.
I don’t feel that I need to prove to the world that I am a good Christian by public acts of prayer. My religion is between myself and God. I, of course, pray in church. I pray when I am driving. I pray before I eat. I pray when I am about to do something about which I am unsure. I pray before bed. I pray when I wake up. I pretty much pray throughout my day. Privately. Do I pray privately because I am ashamed or embarrassed? Absolutely not! I do so because I don’t feel as if I have anything whatsoever to prove to anybody. My God knows my heart.
As for a prayer before a Council meeting or any other Governmental gathering? I disagree with calling it a prayer and having an Officiant preside over it. Given the diversity of our society; as well as the seeming inability of much of our society to get past the most minute lack of political correctness, calling it a prayer could, understandably, be offensive to some. As well as, open the door to worlds which most of us would prefer to remain ignorant about. And saying, “get used to it, it has always been done that way” is not the best way to keep pathways of discussion and diversity open. I personally despise the “we’ve always done it that way” argument. My reply to that is usually, “awesome, then it is past time for a change, hmmmm”? Should the leader of a meeting or gathering truly feel that it is called for, request a moment of silence or reflection, or whatever word is chosen which would be appropriate, as opposed to asking for prayer. No need for an Officiant. I certainly don’t need somebody else to lead me in my talks with God. We do just fine on our own. Just my 2 cents.
This organization should have been grandfathered in and allowed to continue their mission, rather than the council caving to the demands of an out of town newbie, who wants to bring their big city ways to the Rim Country! Heart Six does amazing work in and around our community.
Kathie, the Roundup staff is vehemently pro Kenny Evans. Anything said against him or questioning his actions and motives are considered by John Naughton and/or Pete Aleshire to be "fighting words", and is grounds for removal. Get used to it!
There is a reason I am no longer active on this forum. I grew weary of posting only to have it removed because John Naughton considered it to be too critical of King Kenny. Furthermore, during the election John Naughton went so far as to email me privately to an email address that he should have had no way of having, and threatening me with civil action if I did not cease and desist in my releasing factual and truthful information. And Pete Aleshire told a mutual acquaintance an outright, egregious lie about me, which led to attempts being made to have me removed from a completely unrelated community volunteer position.
I was under the impression that journalists were supposed to be fair and objective in their reporting. John Naughton, Pete Aleshire and the Payson Roundup are the furthest thing you can get from fair, and objective. I also wonder at the propriety (or lack thereof) of John Naughton, the Publisher of the only newspaper in town, being involved with one or more of these "alphabet boards".
People are starting to notice that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
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