Wednesday December 11, 2013
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Wow, Teddy, the only one on here who refers to Obama as "our black president" is you! His partial color is NOT why the rest of us don't like him. However, I suspect that it is EXACTLY why you do.
Also, none of the rest of us is using derogatory, bigoted, racist, prejudiced words to describe people (hippie Jews, chicken hawk, nutcases, big fat Oxycontin popping, black president, airheads, teabaggers, gun nuts, old man, racists) hmmm, that is an awful lot of hate spewing from your supposedly open minded, loving and all accepting mouth.
Poor Teddy, does it get lonely being a hateful, nasty, mean little troll?
Yikes Rex!! NONE of us knows what happened, and before you say it, no, even this woman does not know. She is in a wheelchair and it's doubtful she could have gotten outside quickly enough to see.
I think that you chastising Don, and essentially telling him that his opinions are without merit is out of line. This is a public forum, where each of us has a right to our opinion and to post it.
I, too have commented that Mike should have stayed in his house or gone back inside. No, THING, garden, car, etc is worth a human life. No matter how much it may mean to you.
Frankly, I think that her posting is shocking. Her elderly, "frail" "partner" is in prison with a murder charge hanging over his head, she is in a wheelchair clearly needing some level of care, and a man lost his life outside of her back door and his body laid there for several hours, while an investigation ensued. I cannot comprehend the agony of Mr. Burnette's wife, knowing that her beloved ill, dead husband was left to lay in the dirt, because their disturbed, peculiar neighbor decided to use a gun to protect some plants that in all likelihood will be dead in a day or so from the freeze.
Instead of posting and trying to defend him in a public forum which really has no bearing on anything, I would think she would be rallying attorneys and funds in his defense, where it really matters. And, truly, what kind of "friends" does she have who are reporting to her what is being said on these forums?
Good grief, Rex, this IS a PUBLIC forum, where we, each and every one of us, is guaranteed the right to post our opinion, whether others like it, agree with it, or not, and yes, even Mr. Voden's partner has that right, unseemly though it may look.
As for your assertion that " we still have the right to defend ourselves...especially on our own property", of course we do!! Do we assert that right simply because we have it? Of course not. We use good judgment and common sense. There would have been no need for Mike to "defend himself" if he had simply stayed in his house, behind locked doors, and let the police, who were on the way, handle the situation. If I remember correctly from reading the transcript of the 911 call, the dispatcher could hear the sirens before the gunshots went off. The police were seconds away. There was no need for Mike to go outside.
It is all so, terribly, terribly sad.
Amen, Ron, God always gets the glory!!!!
Ron, our experience with Hospice was very similar to yours. We were caring for an elderly friend who had a stroke and was no longer able to care for himself or be alone. He had no one and asked my husband to not let him die alone.
At the time, the hospice facility here was not yet built. Our friend did not have the funds to move in to a nursing home, and was unable to get state help as he owned property elsewhere, so our friend was moved in to our home; and hospice was recommended by his physician as our friend was diagnosed to be terminally ill. Hospice nurses, LVN's, or CNA's visited our home every day, some, more than once a day. They medicated him, bathed him, provided every level of care that he needed. They also helped my husband and I with the emotional process. When our friend passed late on a Friday evening, the on-call nurse came out and did everything that was required as well as so much more that was not. She took care of his room, stripping his bed and removing the bedding, so we did not have to deal with it. She removed any medical detritus that had been left behind. Also, like the experience you had, they stayed in touch with us, and helped tremendously with the grieving process. And... we paid not one single cent.
2 and a half years ago when my Father-in law was moved to Hospice Compassus facility, I was beyond impressed with the beautiful facility and the fact that the level of care and compassion, not only for the patients, but for the family was exemplary. Dad was there less than 24 hours before he passed, however, during that time, we all felt like we were wrapped in the loving arms of angels. And...there has not been one bill, invoice, or monetary demand from Hospice. Rather, there have been cards, notes, and letters helping us through the grieving process.
Pat, I am so very sorry that you went through such a horrendous situation with your beloved husband. Watching our most loved ones go through so much while we are virtually helpless to do anything for them is agonizing. I can assure all who read this that your experience with Hospice was categorically NOT the norm. And I do NOT have the papers to prove it, as there were NEVER any received.
See Rex?? This is what a direct reply to your comment would look like.
Rex, I was NOT twisting YOUR words. If you may notice, my comment was not written as a direct reply to YOUR comment. Rather, it was a comment in the continuing thread. Had I been responding directly to your comment, it would have been slightly indented under your comment. That is what the reply button is for, to reply DIRECTLY to the previous comment, rather than as a general comment in the continuing thread
As for Mr. Voden's size, I believe there is a saying that goes something like, "there is none so big as he with a gun in his hands".
In accordance with our justice system, of course Mr. Voden is innocent until proven guilty. I am quite certain that none of us on this thread is coordinating a lynching party. We are simply commenting on a small town tragedy, the likes of which many of us have not seen since our lives in the big city. Many of us knew or knew of and cared about someone involved in this tragic situation.
Finally, there are few things in this world which matter enough to me to put myself in harms way: My husband, my children and grandchildren, and my dog. There are many other things of monetary or sentimental value which matter to me, however, not enough that I would approach someone unknown who was in my yard, especially after I had contacted the police and was aware that help was on the way.
By all reports, Mr. Burnette, who was (as reported) very ill with pancreatic cancer, an illness which many of us are all too familiar with, had been awakened from a sound sleep by his wife to help her round up their dog, who had wandered into Mr. Voden's yard. The Burnette's and their dog had only lived next door to Mr. Voden less than 2 WEEKS. Now, if Scooter had been wandering in to the garden of peace on a daily basis for years, or even months, I could perhaps understand Mr. Voden's frustration, however, LESS THAN 2 WEEKS!!!??? Really??
As someone elsewhere commented, the directive from the Dispatcher for Mr. Voden to stay in the house and not approach Mr. Burnette. was simply a request. Of course Mr. Voden was not constrained to follow the request as though it were an order. However, had Mr. Voden complied with the request, 2 families would not be devastated.
Now, as I have done on another thread regarding this situation, I am bowing out. I am personally involved in a situation very similar to this one and refuse to go any deeper into this intense discussion. Rex, I continue to keep your ill wife, as well as you, in my prayers, for a wonderful and positive outcome.
Blessings to each of you. Go with God.
I absolutely concur, Mr. Hinshaw!! Thank you!!
Teddy, are you capable of making a simple statement which does not include name calling?
I am going to bow out of this discussion; as there are ongoing things in my personal life which are indirectly related to a situation very similar to this, and as it is ongoing I am prohibited from talking about it.
I apologize Tom, I certainly meant no disrespect.
Aaaah Tom...it grieves me to disagree with you; but disagree I must. Reading the transcript of the 911 call, I count no fewer than 6 times that Mr. Voden was instructed by the Police Dispatcher to go back in his house or to not approach Mr. Burnette. Mr. Voden ignored the instruction by Police. It is clear by reading the transcript that the Dispatcher either did not hear or failed to recognize the 4 gunshots, as the dispatcher did not indicate "shots fired". In any emergency situation, the safety of the emergency personnel is paramount, and if the Dispatcher has been made aware of the presence of weapons, that information is immediately conveyed to those personnel rolling to the call.
While I absolutely concur with your admonition to never approach an armed person, I am dismayed by the characterization that Mr. Voden "may have been forced to do something that no one wants to do — take a life." Tom, one is never "forced to take a human life", one chooses by ones actions to do so (except in the case of war, then all bets are off). Had Mr. Voden abided by the directive that was issued to him by the police dispatcher, Mr. Burnette would likely be snugging with his wife right now, and Mr. Voden would not be sitting in a jail cell. 2 families would not be devastated. And an entire town would not be speculating. Had Mr. Voden simply gone into his house and left Mr. Burnette to round up his dog, and waited for the police to arrive....well, we will never know. Will we?
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