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Pat, thanks for the kind words. I love your comment about your son, as that is EXACTLY how I feel. My faith and my actions are between me and my God. I don't feel the need to make a public display of it, nor tell the world about it. I would prefer to let my actions, my life and my behavior show who I am rather than making certain that everybody sees me praying (which I do, just discreetly).
Tom, I am happy to hear about your "epiphany", as it were.
Now, to get back to the original intent of this thread: "“The motion to affirm a moment of silence was essentially a motion to ban prayer, and that is exactly what the Satanic group out of Tucson wanted,” " I agree. (Especially in light of the fact that the satanic group is based in Tucson. What business does any organization out of Tucson have to do with Phoenix City Council business?) However, Given that prayer has been a part of Phoenix City Council meetings for more than 50 years, isn't it time to recognize that practice has (Lord I hate using this word!!) disenfranchised a large portion of the Phoenix population? I am certain that there are large numbers of Jewish citizens, Catholics, Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Pagan's, Satanists, as well as many others of which I am unaware, who are represented by the Phoenix City Council, however, do not pray in the manner of the Council.
While I personally pray every chance I get, I don't feel compelled to force anybody else to. When I go to a Council, or any other type of meeting, I always take a moment to myself to pray and ask for my God's guidance. I don't see a need for such a brouhaha. Simplicity!!!
Mr. Jones, I agree completely! A "moment of silence" is perfect! Gives those who wish, an opportunity to pray, and gives those who don't an opportunity to settle their thoughts, or go over their coming words, or just take a deep breath. A moment of silence does NOT have to be deep and profound!
While I know that my faith is correct for ME, I am not of the belief that I need to hit everybody else over the head with my religion to make them believe my way. Everybody needs to find their own way, and if I can help by example or deed, I absolutely will. However, I WILL not push my beliefs on anybody else.
Well, for personal reasons, I had decided several months ago to discontinue posting on this board. However, I have continued to follow it and this is a subject that I feel very strongly about. So….I’m baaaack!
I will begin by stating unequivocally that I am an Evangelical Christian. I believe in God, I have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior, and I know that I would not be where I am today without devout, and absolute prayer. That being said, I also believe strongly in separation of church and government; as I recognize that not everybody believes as I do. Whether someone is Christian, Jewish, Mormon, Buddhist, Hindu, Catholic, Agnostic, Atheist, Muslim, or any one of the thousands of other various and sundry religions out there; their beliefs matter. No more, nor less, than mine.
I don’t feel that I need to prove to the world that I am a good Christian by public acts of prayer. My religion is between myself and God. I, of course, pray in church. I pray when I am driving. I pray before I eat. I pray when I am about to do something about which I am unsure. I pray before bed. I pray when I wake up. I pretty much pray throughout my day. Privately. Do I pray privately because I am ashamed or embarrassed? Absolutely not! I do so because I don’t feel as if I have anything whatsoever to prove to anybody. My God knows my heart.
As for a prayer before a Council meeting or any other Governmental gathering? I disagree with calling it a prayer and having an Officiant preside over it. Given the diversity of our society; as well as the seeming inability of much of our society to get past the most minute lack of political correctness, calling it a prayer could, understandably, be offensive to some. As well as, open the door to worlds which most of us would prefer to remain ignorant about. And saying, “get used to it, it has always been done that way” is not the best way to keep pathways of discussion and diversity open. I personally despise the “we’ve always done it that way” argument. My reply to that is usually, “awesome, then it is past time for a change, hmmmm”? Should the leader of a meeting or gathering truly feel that it is called for, request a moment of silence or reflection, or whatever word is chosen which would be appropriate, as opposed to asking for prayer. No need for an Officiant. I certainly don’t need somebody else to lead me in my talks with God. We do just fine on our own. Just my 2 cents.
This organization should have been grandfathered in and allowed to continue their mission, rather than the council caving to the demands of an out of town newbie, who wants to bring their big city ways to the Rim Country! Heart Six does amazing work in and around our community.
Kathie, the Roundup staff is vehemently pro Kenny Evans. Anything said against him or questioning his actions and motives are considered by John Naughton and/or Pete Aleshire to be "fighting words", and is grounds for removal. Get used to it!
There is a reason I am no longer active on this forum. I grew weary of posting only to have it removed because John Naughton considered it to be too critical of King Kenny. Furthermore, during the election John Naughton went so far as to email me privately to an email address that he should have had no way of having, and threatening me with civil action if I did not cease and desist in my releasing factual and truthful information. And Pete Aleshire told a mutual acquaintance an outright, egregious lie about me, which led to attempts being made to have me removed from a completely unrelated community volunteer position.
I was under the impression that journalists were supposed to be fair and objective in their reporting. John Naughton, Pete Aleshire and the Payson Roundup are the furthest thing you can get from fair, and objective. I also wonder at the propriety (or lack thereof) of John Naughton, the Publisher of the only newspaper in town, being involved with one or more of these "alphabet boards".
People are starting to notice that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.
Hmmm, yesterday/Saturday, gas at the Ba'ja gas station at Fort McDowell, which is typically at least $.25+ higher than the prices in Payson, was $.08 CHEAPER!!
And we were told that gas at Costco in Scottsdale was $1.89!!
Seems our local station owners are taking extreme advantage of their "captive audience".
Exactly Pat!!! Perfect case in point: A few months ago when the wildfire in California jumped interstate 15, trapping motorists. Helicopters and planes were unable to operate in the area to assess and/or fight the fire as there were several drones being operated in the area and a plane or helicopter cannot risk hitting or sucking one into an engine.
I just came across a story out of Fox10 Phoenix, about a 4 year old girl in Ohio. She was hit in the face, at school by a 4 year old boy. This hit was hard enough to require stitches and cause a black eye. The girls mother brought her to the hospital for check-out and treatment. Upon checking in, a male worker at the front desk told the little girl, "oh I bet he likes you". The mother is outraged. In my opinion, rightfully so. I think that guy should be fired.
Amazingly the comments on the story are almost totally against the mother of the little girl. They are stating that little boys hit because they don't know what to do with all of their emotions. When, oh when, is our society going to stop making excuses for bad behavior??
HITTING ANYBODY, FOR ANY REASON, EVER, IS NEVER OK.
Thanks Tom. Yes, I was on the Board of Directors for Time Out. It was a very enriching and enlightening experience; albeit heartbreaking and discouraging. Knowing that we saved or improved even one life was enriching, however, seeing a victim make such improvement, and then learn that they have gone back to their abuser is heartbreaking.
The general consensus is that domestic violence is pretty much a lower socio-economic problem, which could not be further from the truth. I think many people would be surprised to learn the well-known and prominent citizens of our small town who are either victims or perpetrators of domestic violence.
As many people know, domestic violence is not only limited to fists, slaps, black eyes, fat lips and broken bones. In my opinion, the worst aspect of domestic violence is the total and complete breakdown of a person’s self-esteem to the point that they believe the denigrating things their abuser says to them. Mental abuse is typically how the abuser “opens the door” to physical abuse.
Many of us have heard parents tell little girls that when little boys hit, chase, pull pigtails, etc. it means they like them. I deplore hearing that as it simply reinforces later in life that if a man is mean to a woman, it means he cares. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Love shouldn’t hurt.
Understanding the dynamics of a domestic abuse situation, as well as the frustration of law enforcement with victims who refuse to testify or press charges against their abuser, are a double edged sword.
In my opinion, this judge should have come up with a better option for the victim. However, the judge was probably beyond frustrated, knowing that with such a miniscule sentence for the abuser, it would just serve as an irritant for the abuser, who would be angry at serving any time in jail, as well as losing his job. Studies show that one of the most dangerous times for a victim is when she is trying to leave her abuser. In this case, if the victim had shown up in court, in all likelihood, the abuser would have gotten a lengthier sentence, thereby giving the victim more time to get herself together and learn that she can do it on her own.
On the other hand, I have sat in court here in Gila County for domestic violence cases. The layout of our court rooms is such that the victim and the abuser are less than 20 feet apart, and facing each other. I watched an abuser mouthing words of apology and “I love you’s”, weeping and putting on a real display for the victim. It can be very hard on a victim with diminished self-esteem, as well as a deep fear of her abuser, and the insecurity of not knowing what the future may hold for her without her abuser.
October is Domestic Violence awareness month, and tonight, Wednesday, October 14, will be the Time Out Candlelight Walk and Vigil. The walk will begin at Expedition Church and starts at, I believe 5:00pm. This is a very moving experience to take part in. I encourage anybody who is free to join us.
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