Tuesday March 11, 2014
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Hmmm, there sure seems to be an awful lot of generalizations flying around.
I am going to address each of Mr. Durbin's complaints:
"The parking lot and east entrance at the Post Office." Ok, I'll bite...other than the fact that that portion of Frontier is a one way street, and that there are monster speed bumps in the parking lot, what is so wrong with this parking lot?
"Speed limit on McLane." Ok, again, not sure what you are unhappy about. Is it too fast, too slow? Do you live on McLane and cars driving by make it difficult for you to exit your driveway?
"No healthy activities, entertainment or mentoring for teens." I am just curious, was there mini golf and a batting cage, and a bowling alley, and a movie theatre, and a WalMart Supercenter, and Beall's, and Stage, and Green Valley Park, and Rumsey Park, and ball fields in Payson since the beginning? Didn't think so. It is NOT up to the Town to ensure that teens, or anybody, for that matter have something to do. There is plenty to do, if you are willing to look.
"Easy heroin and crystal meth availability, but speeding is nearly eradicated." Again, are you saying that the Payson Police are spending too much time on eliminating speeding that they should be spending on eradicating heroin and crystal meth? If so, isn't that at odds with your concerns about speeding on McLane? Now, make no mistake, I absolutely agree about heroin and crystal meth. They are vile and do need to be eradicated, however, not to the exclusion of all else the Payson Police have to do.
"Very liberal newspaper, if “newspaper” at all." Hmmm, can't argue with this one, but, I am fairly certain that you do have the right to not read it.
"No love for homeless or abandoned, but an entire page in the paper for abandoned pets." Not sure where you get your contention that there is no love for the homeless or abandoned, I happen to know of at least 3 shelters for them, and many more organizations which offer assistance. What more is supposed to be done? And do pets not matter?
"Lack of business/employment creation or retention. Zero leadership." Well, yup, we do have a Mayor and some council members who seem to have more of an obstructionist point of view, rather than development and building up of the town.
Pat, think about this...has an animal ever gotten away from you? No need to answer publicly as we all know that it has happened to every single person alive, who has ever been involved with animals. You open the door and the dog has to go really bad and runs out the door. It happens. And how do you know that Mr. Burnett was not heading for the door to get permission to get his dog?
And of course you would do everything all proper and above board, in hindsight. Think about that!!!
And I am done with this conversation...some people cannot see the forest for the trees. My blood pressure does not need this.
Perhaps I am mistaken, however, I am certain that the Grand Jury indicted Mike Voden on Second Degree Murder charges. That means that the Grand Jury felt that there was enough compelling evidence to bind him over for a trial. Furthermore, I am appalled and disgusted that bail was reduced to $200,000. He was held over on SECOND DEGREE MURDER charges, not manslaughter, not assault, and not self-defense, MURDER! "His own recognizance"? Paahh!!! He used a gun to protect a few plants.
As for his age and his wife's medical condition, perhaps Mike should have taken those factors into consideration before he chose to shoot, 4 times, an unarmed, cancer riddled man. Perhaps, he should have taken those factors into consideration before he chose to disobey or disregard the instructions of the Police Dispatcher. And perhaps he should have taken those factors into consideration when he chose to carry a gun into a town council meeting and then wave it about wantonly. Mike Voden is an unpredictable, volatile, irrational, creepy, loose cannon. And that last sentence, Mr. Garrett, is why Mr. Voden's request to move about town freely as he so chooses should have been denied.
Tom, I really hate to point this out, but the verbiage that you used in your second paragraph was deliberately worded so as to paint poor Mike Voden as the innocent victim who was preyed upon and attacked by a big bad mean younger man (who was quite ill with cancer!!) Nobody other than Mike Voden is alive to say whether Mr. Burnett "threatened him with bodily harm". Those words that were used were inflammatory and slanted to depict Randy Burnett as the instigator and Mike Voden as the innocent, frail, elderly victim.
While I was and am not friends with Mike Voden, I was acquainted, and interacted with him, on occasion; and I can tell you that frail, and helpless are most assuredly NOT words that I, and many other people in town would apply to him.
Him being released at all and most especially on a measly $200,000 bail is a gross miscarriage of justice. This was not the first time that Mike Voden used a gun to threaten and/or intimidate.
Sorry Tom, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
It is a dog's inherent nature to bark when something invades it's territory, or it thinks it needs to protect someone. As I said previously, I would NEVER put a dog bark collar on my dog. They have been known to stop a dogs heart with one jolt. Besides, what about that one time there is really something for the dog to bark at, an intruder or predator, and it has been trained to not bark? The dog and/or owner are sitting ducks with no warning.
As for the "puny dogs"...on occasion, I have been called a puny dog with a big mouth. And believe me, the first person who tries to shut me up, gets a very rude awakening.
As for civilization, well, it comes with noises and intrusions...loud dogs, loud cars, loud parties, neighbors. Common courtesy and decency, as well as respect and consideration of your neighbors is, of course, paramount. But, if the normal day to day intrusions of living in a neighborhood are just to bothersome, buy a large plot of land and move to the middle of it, or move out to the wilderness, where the only neighbors are the wildlife. Oh, yeah, and then see how quiet it is what with the elk bugling and all of the other wildlife noises.
I have another complaint. My neighbor parks their vehicle so that for a couple hours of every day at certain times of the year, the sun glints off of their windows and glares into my office windows. The vehicle is parked perfectly reasonably in their driveway and I don't feel that I have the right to ask them to park their car elsewhere during those times of the year. Solution? I simply close the blinds, so as to not be blinded. Someone doesn't like dogs barking? Close your windows. Another complaint? I have a neighbor who smokes his medical marijuana on his back porch on a daily basis, and when the wind is blowing a certain direction, I cannot sit in my own front yard without being subjected to the skunky reek of marijuana. Now, I could hop up and down and demand that he go inside, or that the other neighbor move their car, or whatever any other solution would be. However, I am part of a community where people have rights, so my philosophy is you live your life, and I will live mine, and I won't bitch about yours, if you don't bitch about mine.
And truly, how often do people walk into yards or onto property that is not theirs? To grab their wayward dog, to deliver mis-directed mail, to drop a plate of cookies, or a multitude of other reasons. It is not normal, neighborly, or legal to greet someone at your door holding a gun on them. If someone really feels threatened enough that they need to have a gun in hand, why in the world would you even open the door? Heck, a few years ago, hearing noises on my porch and banging on my screen door, inside my fenced and gated yard, while home alone, in the middle of the night, I simply ensured that the door was locked, turned on the porch light and opened the blinds to see 7 full-size possums playing about. I knew that the screen door was locked, opened the door and shoo'd them away. Easy peasy. However, had it been a human being on my porch, I would have dialed 911, stayed behind my locked doors, of course with a gun handy in case the intruder breached my door. But, as long as there was a solid, locked door protecting me, it would be reasonable to wait for the police.
I wonder if the feelings and attitudes about this situation would be different, were Mike Voden not an elderly, very strange, but well known person about town. Would the sympathy for him be different were he a young, criminal, gang banger type, who simply thought he was protecting his property? Hmmm?
Exactly Pat!!! We all have opinions. And we all know what they say about opinions.
Perhaps I need to clarify for you why I made the comparison between this situation and yours with your husband. I highly doubt that Mrs. Burnett loved her husband any less than you loved yours. And, by your own admission, as well as your posts, you are still very angry with the Doctors, hospitals and medical personnel whom you believe treated your husband incorrectly; ultimately bringing about his demise, after diminishing his quality of life. Do you imagine that Mrs. Burnett has any less bitterness and anger? While none of the medical personnel who treated your husband are or have been, brought up on charges, it is still clear from your posts that you think they should have been.
The person responsible for the loss of Mrs. Burnett's husband has been indicted by a Grand Jury for SECOND DEGREE MURDER. So, evidently, the Grand Jury saw or heard something in the evidence that has not been made public. The bottom line fact is that Mike Voden used a gun, on another human being, whom he shot 4 times, when, had he simply followed the instructions of the Police Dispatcher and gone inside, there would no longer have been a threat.
We, none of us, has any idea what Mrs. Burnett's situation is at this point. Whether she is working, or retired, or what. As I said previously, she is the INNOCENT VICTIM who had her beloved husband brutally taken from her by a deranged person who had no qualms about flashing a gun in public and on more than one occasion.
Pat, what set me off here is that it seems as though you are trivializing Mrs. Burnett's plight. As though she couldn't possibly be expected to stay in her home for a measly 3 hours a week.
My concern is, of course, what Mrs. Burnett is going through, but also the fact that this man who has been indicted for second degree murder, is not only not locked up, but now wants the freedom to shop as he so chooses, in order to accommodate his chosen diet.. You understand, this is no longer an ambiguous charge that he is just sitting awaiting sentencing for. The Grand Jury has reviewed the evidence and has deemed charges of second degree murder to be appropriate.
You say, "Mr. Voden has not been judged guilty in court of anything". Umm, did you miss that the Grand Jury indicted him on second degree murder charges?
I am going to play devil's advocate here. I do have a dog. A 6 pound Maltese/Papillon mix. Although, she thinks she is a Rottweiler (my hubby says she is just like her human Mom...whaaaat???)
My dog is not an outside dog, as her vet says that she would be hawk bait. However, when hubby or I are working outside, she is permitted out with us; and yes, she does indeed bark. She is a dog. She barks to protect her territory. When there is someone she doesn't know, or like, in the cul de sac, she will bark. We tell her that it's ok, and she stops. I would NEVER use a bark collar or other means to make her stop barking at strangers. She also barks when someone comes in our gate, into our yard. I say, good girl letting me know that there is someone who doesn't belong.
There is someone I know, right here in Payson who actually had her dog's voice box surgically removed to appease her complaining neighbors. That would NEVER happen at my house.
Last week, we went on a combined business/leisure trip. we took the dog with us; so we stayed at La Quinta Inn, which is pet friendly. When we were all in the room, if someone walked past our door, my dog would let out a bark or two. We only left her in the room alone when we went down to breakfast and I wondered how she was when we were not there. So, when we came back to the room after eating, I deliberately stayed away from the door until some other people walked past. Our dog never let out a peep! Then later, when I was in the room with the dog, after hubby had left, someone walked by talking, and the dog barked. I spoke with some animal behaviorists, and they think that she thought she had to protect me, when I was in the room with her, but when I was not there, no reason to bark.
Of course, a constantly barking dog is annoying and very wearing on one's mental state; and that is a situation where a nicely worded letter or comment to the owner would be appropriate. However, a dog who barks when there is something to bark at, is simply doing their job.
Ms. Meares, if the voting process was "like the good old boys club:, it is not the fault of those that won (one), but rather of those pathetic people who don't take part in things, don't vote, but then want to shoot their mouths off about it.
Like, you're right, not even one tenth of the population voted, does that make it unfair? Does that make the winners unworthy? The voting process was made extremely simple: You could actually write on your paper and send it to, or drop it off at, the Roundup offices, you could vote on line on your computer from home while in your jammies, you could vote on the Roundup's Facebook page, the Roundup made it as simple as anything to vote, and still more than 99% of the town's population chose to not avail themselves of the process, and yet they sure want to complain about how it was done, and who didn't win, and what else is wrong with the town.
Mr. Durbin and Ms. Meares? Are either of you involved in the community, in any way other than posting on here? Town Council? Volunteer? PTA?
Almost 20 years ago, I told someone that if they didn't like what was happening to their town, they needed to get involved, and make a difference. You know, lead, follow, or get out of the way! If you are not willing to make a difference, then you don't have the right to make a complaint.
Surprisingly I do agree with much of what Mr. Durbin said, but, really...it is like comparing apples to oranges. The Best of Payson is about people, and services, activities and organizations, not about road or parking conditions, or drugs or what the schools do or don't offer.
Pat, Mrs. Burnett is an ENTIRELY innocent victim here who lost her husband, partner and best friend. What would be so terrible would be for her to have to plan and coordinate her life and comings and goings to accommodate the whims and vagaries of a person who CHOSE to use a gun to solve a problem, rather than going back inside his house, as he had been instructed by the Police Dispatcher. What would be so terrible would be her pushing her shopping cart down an aisle in Safeway, rounding a corner and staring Mike Voden in the face. What would be so terrible would be Mrs. Burnett having to have on her calendar, so she has to see it every single day, the times that Mike wishes to go shopping, because he chooses to eat in an unusual manner.
I know, as I have been reading your posts for a good long time now, that you have a great deal of bitterness and anger towards a lot of people over the way your beloved husband was treated and taken from you. Imagine if he had been brutally shot down just yards from his own home, regardless of the circumstances. as a result of something that you initiated. And then, imagine, if you will, being told that his killer wanted the freedom to shop as he so chose and because of that, you had to avoid going into the shopping areas of town for the duration of his shopping trip. Imagine that every single day when you looked at your calendar, you had to see the notation there of when his killer wanted to be permitted to shop. Those are the things that would be so terrible, not the fact that she may have to stay in her house for 3 hours a week.
My personal opinion is that Mike Voden should be thanking whatever higher power he believes in, that he was permitted bail...REALLY??? in a murder case??? And bail reduced from a million dollars to a measly $200,000? Seriously, he could be sitting in jail, eating the haute cuisine that is served 3 times a day; instead he is complaining because his friends don't want to run all over town to ensure that Mike gets his organic, vegetarian, healthy foods. Suck it up, buttercup and thank your lucky stars that you have the freedom to roam your property and to spend time with your wife. Mrs. Burnett is not afforded that luxury, thanks to Mike Voden's hot head.
Oh, Mr. Lemon...I would sincerely hope not! I pray that it will turn out to be a simple explanation.
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