Friday May 24, 2013
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Good idea, Pat! ; )
You all read a lot more in to Mr. Meszar's letter than what he said. Based on my reading of his letter, all he seems to want is for people to do their due diligence before making up their minds on an issue.
"true Americans will never allow the Constitution to die at the hands of those who would tell us how to live life and take away our God given freedom"
First of all, I keep reading and hearing about "true Americans" but no one ever adequately explains or describes them.
Actually, it isn't a God given freedom. The Constitution was written by men.
What your President did by executive order - so far - is not unconstituional. Although what might try to be passed by Congress may be unconstitutional. That is not just my opinion. that is fact.
That said, NO ONE is trying to take away the 2nd amendment or the right to have guns. You may interpret what is happening that way, but that is not what is going on.
"we both live in the same world, the one God made"
Not everyone believes in the same God, perhaps we don't live in the same world?!
Could you please advise the actual "real" document or study that shows 47%? No one seems to mention it in their retorts. Thank you.
Let's see what they say when they finally listen to what is actually being said and realize all that the majority of folks want is background checks for all gun sales and no more high capacity clips.
Good letter, neighbor!
"There’s...harsh feelings around, I’ve learned how to contend for a point of view without hating those different from me"
Me, too - posing "what ifs" and so forth. No one wants to discuss, they just seem to want to make sure I knew that I was a raging liberal independent.
"Those of your ilk consider abortion an OK, legal and desirable thing in most circumstances. Is that correct?"
No, it is NOT. Desirable?!! Why do you think an abortion is considered desirable by any woman?! If my ilk is someone who follows the law, a person's right to a legal, medical procedure, then that is my "ilk." Perhaps men don't "hear" the other side of women's issues. I mentioned teaching kids responsibility if having sex vs. abstinence. Kids aren't going to stop having sex, so can't we offer them the contraception they need, if they so choose? I can't see why that vs. bringing another unwanted baby in to this world is a wrong choice. None of it is a wrong choice - it is just a choice. If you get pregnant, - well, you're men, but you get my drift - and don't want an abortion, great! There is nothing better than that - for YOU.
Mr. Hamric, you say "Personally for myself, and many who feel as I do, there is no ability to accept the murder of the innocent unborn simply due to that conception being "inconvenient"
That's fine. If you don't have the capacity for accepting it, I get that. But still, it is legal. If someone wants an abortion, she should be able to do so. Until the law is reversed by the Supreme Court, it IS a choice.
Mr. Simms said: "You see nothing wrong in how the election came out. You seem glad that we are forced to swallow what has been crammed down our throats. Is it so strange that some might express something more than the bland approach you desire?"
Yes, it IS strange to me that there is such hatred spewed on these boards. I'll never get used to it.
And, believe me, I see plenty wrong with how the election came out! I expect a less divisive, nasty, more adult - bland, if you will - approach. Why not? We are all citizens of the U.S. (Aren't we?) Maybe we don't care for how the votes came out for this race or that proposition. Trying to find middle ground just makes more sense.
Mr. Simms said: "By ‘Independent’ people voting for what they think they were promised, forgetting the basis of all our freedoms." That is strange to me-there is nothing more like "freedom" than being an "independent!" We can't categorize every independent voter.
One more quote: "No one has attacked you, though the comments could be considered pointed."
LOL!!! Extremely pointed, if I may add.
"You apparently haven’t been involved in uncivil exchanges, and you won’t in this arena."
You and I have not been reading the same things apparently. : )
Moving along, gentlemen. You may have your boards to yourselves again. Thanks.
Why do I or people who "think like" me have to be confronted? Why can't we instead have some kind of civil discussion?! I mean, I don't really even understand what you're talking about in your message, Mr. Evans. Did I say I wanted my country to become a socialist meca (sic) salad bowl? No. Who is the "economic invader?" I think you mean President Barack Obama, but I could be wrong. What exactly is my "ilk?" I mean, not being a member of any political party, I don't have a convention. I assume - and I could be wrong - that you are upset as you are a good Christian person who only wants what he thinks is right for his country?
Actually, Mr. Sims, you and the rest of the above writers, nailed yourselves. You made it clear how feel about anyone who is different. Good grief! I understand that you are angry at what you perceive is happening in our country. But why do you all have to be so nasty and divisive? It won't help change a thing.
I may be wrong, but think that what Deborah really cares about is a person's right to choose what he or she feels is best for his or her life. If those who are anti-choice would come to the table and work out ways to change the conversation, it would help all of us.
Free sterilization to any man or woman who requests it is a heck of a lot cheaper for taxpayers than paying for the myriad programs in place to take care of a child born to someone who doesn't want it, much less to pay to incarcerate the boyfriend or other party that injures or kills the unwanted child. There are fewer abortions performed past the first trimester than people are led to believe - at least based on how you wrote your comment above. Also, what about holding free classes or seminars on sex or using contraception responsibly, rather than just talk about abstinence? Just an idea...
In any case, it is kind of strange that folks who do not want the government in their lives just want it in other people's lives.
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