Friday December 13, 2013
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Not to mention the fact that he (having a father that is from Africa) makes him more African American than most Americans that check the little boxes on applications, census reports, etc. that say African American, and if you had paid attention or at least if you were not trying to look at ways to tear apart my semantics,then you would have seen that my entire point was his merits and NOT the color of his skin, as well as the fact of his getting elected is reason to give us ALL hope that we Americans can still come together to effect change and let our voices be heard.
I am not sure what it is, but for some reason, and for some people on here, tearing apart my semantics seems easier than simply responding to the content of my post.
I actually know a lot of "big" words and use them on a regular basis and in the correct context.
The only reason that I said African American is because had I said "black" then somebody else would have gone after THAT term as not being politcally correct.
"My concern is whether or not we are failing to show our kids how great this country
What with all of the illegals getting in free of charge and charges (as in those brought up against somebody breaking the law), the "greedy businessmen" who usually do end up getting their "greedy paws" on most money, and the last 8 years, and the recession, and , and, and, and......
How can any of us keep from failing at times to show our kids how great this country truly is? I think we are all doing good to show our kids how great this country truly WAS, and then demonstrating how great it truly can be again by things like voting in the first African American President who was voted in not based on the color of his skin but based on his own merits, by showing them how to cast an educated and meaningful vote, by (and I don't know of too many who don't do this one) supporting our troops even if we don't support the conflicts, and hopefully being able to show them a government that can come together in times like these, set aside their differences for awhile in order to help create some modicum of cooperation for the good of all Americans and not just a few.
The children probably hear more at home as to negativity about America than they ever could at school. If these threads are any indication of what is being discussed amongst adults around the dinner tables in America, then I think we better look a little closer to home for the negativity that is being seen, heard, and learned.
So, again, I say, our elected leaders have a responsibility to make sure from this point on that it does not ever go back to "business as usual" up on Capitol Hill if they want any of us to continue to feel proud of this country. They are the ones that are ruining what America stood for in the beginning and we private citizens are to blame as well for not doing our job at holding them accountable and turning, instead, into a bunch of sheep.
Met a woman in Walmart a year or so ago, she had two son's with her and they obviously lived on a ranch. They had huge feed bags for the animals and their dress was total ranch wear and they had obviously been working. As they had so much big stuff, but not much and the woman was a bit older the boys said, "Mom, you said ladies go first and to be a gentleman, so should we let her go first since she has so much big stuff?" I was so proud. She and her two teenage boys went ahead and I tried to strike up a conversation with her about how I was trying to teach the boys early on how to be a gentleman and hold doors and whatnot. Her reply? She said, "Yeah well, I don't teach my boys that, even discourage it. There's not such thing as a real lady anymore and I don't want them wasting their time on these girls nowadays." I was shocked and disgusted into silence. She sure took the spot my boys offered her, and in return gave me the tools for another lesson to the boys. They were just looking at me with their mouth's hanging open as far as mine. I calmy said, "Boys, this is that other lesson that I taught you. You know? The one about do unto others as you would have done unto you? You boys did the right thing and that is reward in itself." Then we moved to another check out line.
Thanks for the link! I really needed that. :-) Sometimes I think that Tom must be related to Carlin!?!?
Home schooling is great for those that are able but it is still not going to fix how are youth look at their country and whether or not they feel proud of it. It seems that it might even open them up to even more of the negatives of government, so for those of us who cannot home school our kids, we need to still fix the problem of that nasty, dead, rotting root cause.
Just as a side note, the reason that I cannot home school my kids is that I cannot teach. Never have had the knack or the patience let alone the degree.
VCline - Wow, talk about some obscure "wordage." Just kidding Tom, thought that one might make you cringe a bit! :-)
Now, I will be back to respond to V's post in about an hour. I have to look up fecklessness and pusillanimity! :-) Are they anything like "scaphism?" :-)
Pat, "Do I have a suspicious mind???"
Does a bear do its duty in the woods? :-) Glad to see you back. Hope everything is alright.
Regarding the Chiefs' initial post. If it is complaint driven, why is nobody turning them in? Before owning our own business, my husband was an electrician working for other companies. He got his start when he was 15. But during slow times, no growth times etc, he did any number of jobs all the way from picking lettuce to fast food, to CNA at a nursing home and others I am sure. He has had to compete for the majority of those jobs and on occasion agree to a less than market value wage in order to beat out an illegal. American's not willing to do those jobs people say? I say bull puckey! As a contractor and business owner we will hire NOBODY that does not have their legal United States citizenship and hence we are still competing with the illegals and the contractors who hire them. THOSE contractors can bid a job a lot cheaper (and therefore sometimes get said job) than we can by obeying the law. So, if I ever know for a fact that somebody local is doing that, you can bet your sweet bippy (as Grandma used to say) I will not hesitate to contact the authorities. I am so tired of people crying about the illegal's rights. What about our rights as citizens? Do we not have the right to compete FAIRLY for the jobs that are out there? Apparently not. Once again, the illegals rights are taking priority over the US citizens. We all have a duty to report this if we know it is going on. Anyone who does not is breaking the law (in my opinion) just as much as the illegal.
And please note: I am talking about anybody here in our country illegally, not any one ethnic group or nationality. If you are here legally, I could not care less what your skin looks like or where you came from - none of my business, but your citizenship status? That is totally my business! And the business of every red blooded American and every red blooded American's duty to turn in those that would further do harm to the already fragile economy.
From my post before, ".....then aren't the politicians and corruption to blame for what is being taught or not taught and how? I myself would find it hard to praise the government of modern times while teaching a course on, oh, let's say American History. And history definitely applauded American government roots, but it seemed inevitable to at least make the comparison to modern government and that of yesteryear. So again, the problem is one with many branches but at its root is one difficult to deal with, difficult to even address issue. But until that issue (corrupt government) is dug up and destroyed and a new viable, hearty one planted, the branches, no matter how many we lob off, will continue to be at least somewhat tainted with the disease of the root of that particular tree."
How can we expect our great teachers to teach American HIstory/Government, or even economics in such a way that, as Susan says, instills pride, when the subject is one that they themselves have lost faith in? Americans as a collective whole has lost a lot of its own pride due to failed policies, corrupt government, administrations who have put private agenda's ahead of what is good for the entire country and a multitude of other sins since it's very modest but honorable beginnings And my own opinion, which I believe is supported in the statistics and facts, is that teaching has been one of the hardest hit professions. Thank goodness that we have teacher's that still give it their best, even through constant slaps in the face and ever shrinking pay checks and kids who either just don't give a hoot or are rude due to our ever shrinking morality code.
So again, I say time to all get together as one and dig up the roots and plant new ones. How? I don't have the answer but I am thinking on it and am open to suggestions.
I did go to Payson High and (hope this is not a no-no) Mr. Gerard taught Az. History and I think American History and government. At the senior level it was Mr. Pirch, I believe. I never had the honor of Mr. Pirch's classes as due to circumstances beyond my control, I had to move my senior year. Mr. Gerard was patriotic from the word go and an excellent teacher all at once. It was definitely in California and Mesa where the "bad" government lessons were learned and during senior year, so definitely made an impression. So, I agree 100% Mr. Sandoval, although I have no clue as to how it is taught now, or by whom, and my kids are not old enough for those classes just yet. And I am sorry if my post implied school nowadays. God knows my senior year was eons ago!!!! I tend to forget that sometimes and think I am still just a few years beyond being a kid! :-)
Hopefully it really is all around as it is in Payson.
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