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robert young 4 months, 3 weeks ago on Who needs a university?

Forbes recently listed its top 25 places to retire in the United States. It is no coincidence that 13 of them are college towns. Just because Payson has "survived a long time without a university" does not mean that is the best thing for the town's future. I'm assuming it survived once upon a time without indoor plumbing, too. But I'll defer to Pat on that.


robert young 8 months ago on Economic views clash in Payson mayor’s race

For almost five years I've been going out Granite Dells road to the Fox Farm area on a regular basis. I've often wondered why nobody has put that land to use. Now a private enterprise wants to make purchase of private land for a development which requires annexation in order to provide needed services. The land has been sitting empty. Now somebody wants to utilize it to expand a business that will provide more jobs for a town that, frankly, needs every single one it can create. Those who are employed and the manufacturer will contribute to the town's tax base. To make it simple: Jobs are good. Increased tax revenues are good. Working with businesses to help them grow is good. Enough with the juvenile conspiracy theories.


robert young 1 year, 3 months ago on 406 Mountain bike trails and hiking trails must be separate.

Well Tom, yet another study has concluded that runners are at less risk of OA and hip replacement than walkers because of running's effect on body mass index. This one is from 2013. Here's the abstract:

Effects of running and walking on osteoarthritis and hip replacement risk. Williams PT. Author information Abstract PURPOSE:

Running and other strenuous sports activities are purported to increase osteoarthritis (OA) risk, more so than walking and less-strenuous activities. Analyses were therefore performed to test whether running, walking, and other exercise affect OA and hip replacement risk and to assess the role of body mass index (BMI) in mediating these relationships.


In this article, we studied the proportional hazards analyses of patients' report of having physician-diagnosed OA and hip replacement versus exercise energy expenditure (METs).


Of the 74,752 runners, 2004 reported OA and 259 reported hip replacements during the 7.1-yr follow-up; whereas of the 14,625 walkers, 696 reported OA and 114 reported hip replacements during the 5.7-yr follow-up. Compared with running <1.8 MET · h · d(-1), the risks for OA and hip replacement decreased as follows: 1) 18.1% (P = 0.01) and 35.1% (P = 0.03) for the 1.8- and 3.6-MET · h · d(-1) run, respectively; 2) 16.1% (P = 0.03) and 50.4% (P = 0.002) for the 3.6- and 5.4-MET · h · d(-1) run, respectively; and 3) 15.6% (P = 0.02) and 38.5% (P = 0.01) for the ≥ 5.4-MET · h · d(-1) run, suggesting that the risk reduction mostly occurred by 1.8 MET · h · d(-1). Baseline BMI was strongly associated with both OA (5.0% increase per kilogram per square meter, P = 2 × 10(-8)) and hip replacement risks (9.8% increase per kilogram per square meter, P = 4.8 × 10(-5)), and adjustment for BMI substantially diminished the risk reduction from running ≥ 1.8 MET · h · d(-1) for OA (from 16.5%, P = 0.01, to 8.6%, P = 0.21) and hip replacement (from 40.4%, P = 0.005, to 28.5%, P = 0.07). The reductions in OA and hip replacement risk by exceeding 1.8 MET · h · d(-1) did not differ significantly between runners and walkers. Other (nonrunning) exercise increased the risk of OA by 2.4% (P = 0.009) and hip replacement by 5.0% per MET · h · d(-1) (P = 0.02), independent of BMI. CONCLUSIONS:

Running significantly reduced OA and hip replacement risk due to, in part, running's association with lower BMI, whereas other exercise increased OA and hip replacement risk.


robert young 1 year, 7 months ago on 406 Mountain bike trails and hiking trails must be separate.

Tom: more on the topic including a few other studies and brief interviews with long-term, recreational runners. You might also want to pick up "Born to Run" and read that. It has a lot of research on anatomy and running. It's bottom line is obvious from the title -- we are born to run long distances .


robert young 1 year, 7 months ago on 406 Mountain bike trails and hiking trails must be separate.

Sorry, Tom, but it is a myth that running "as a long-term method of exercise ... comes with some great drawbacks where knees and hips are concerned." The research does not support that, except possibly (and that one is up in the air) for elite-level runners who maintain a very high-volume, high-intensity training program over many years. But long-distance running, in the proper shoes, may actually be beneficial to the hips and knees. Staying off of concrete makes a big difference, too. The research, at least that which I've come across, shows there certainly is no evidence that runners are at a statistically greater risk of osteoarthritis than non-runners.

As for the trail-sharing in town, I understand what you're saying about a possible conflict there -- in theory. I doubt anybody who rides bikes would care much if those stretches of trail (and sidewalks) were designated as off limits for mountain bikes. As far as that goes, I think I've said here before that I don't think bikes belong on sidewalks at all. It's a hazard for the bike rider, especially going against traffic. But in practice, at least on the actual "trail" sections, I don't think it's an issue. I run on the trails within town, too. (And on the streets). In fact, my home is about 400 feet from a "trailhead." I have yet to encounter a mountain bike on a trail in town.

I have seen some riders around town on the streets, and often coming up Doll Baby Ranch near the golf course after riding, I assume, on Peach Orchard road and loop or somewhere else out off of Doll Baby Ranch. When I ride my mountain bike, I just go out on forest roads and ride.

Riders evidently don't use the "trails," such as they are, within town. Heck, I don't even run on some stretches of the in-town trail because they're often overgrown with weeds.

Now, as for the college campus in Payson.... I've been in a lot of college towns, and I think they are some of the greatest places I've been. They tend to be economically strong with a diverse population. Yes, there will be changes. I believe those changes will be beneficial far more often than they will be a drawback. I'd say it sure beats the alternative, which is to live in a town or city where the economic engine has died.


robert young 1 year, 7 months ago on 406 Mountain bike trails and hiking trails must be separate.

Just to weigh in on the original topic here and leave the college campus for another day, I really see no problem with bikers and hikers sharing trails in this area. I have run and hike and ridden a mountain bike in and around this whole area and I almost never encounter anybody on foot or bike. It's hard to imagine that the trails are suddenly going to become overcrowded. Further, Tom I think most of the examples of mountain biking that you cited refer to downhill mountain biking, which is more of an extreme sport than what is typical "cross-country" mountain biking. The downhillers stick to ski-resort towns in the offseason for the most part. Most riders are on cross-country bikes and ride at a leisurely pace. Even when they're trying to go fast, they're really not going to be able to in most instances. With all that said, I also do a lot of running and hiking at South Mountain and at McDowell Mountain Park in the Valley. There are hundreds of mountain bikers and hikers and runners all over the place out there. Horses, too, although I've only encounter those riders at McDowell Mountain. I have run several times in the White Tanks Mountains, at Pass Mountain (east Mesa) and Elephant Mountain (north Valley). I've never had a single problem with anybody. Not once. Hikers and bikers alike tend to be polite people and usually give way if the trail is tight. If I'm going downhill, I always let the guy coming up go because it's harder (on a bike anyway) to get going again going uphill than down. I always say thanks when somebody yields to me. I always say, "have a good run" or "have a good ride" after we pass, whether I yield or the other person or persons yields to me. Oil and water may not mix. Payson and a college campus may not either, though I tend to say that they'll mix just fine there. But mountain bikers and hikers get along just fine, at least in my experience. I'd be interested to know what Mick, who owns Bicycle Adventures (formerly Hike, Bike and Run) thinks about the topic. He has far more mountain-biking and hiking experience than any of us.