Tom,
I think we are on different tracks. I had my kids home so they wouldn't be hurt by someone that shouldn't haven't been out. Not that I was worried about my kids doing something wrong.
I felt they were safer at home.
When you and I were growing up it was a much safer world. The same with my kids but didn't want to take chances. My oldest one is 60 and things were starting to change. The youngest is 52. If I were raising kids now they would probably have to be in the house before dark. Yes, even here in Payson.
Judges are far from perfect too. I have read about cases where there is a jury that says one thing and the judge over rules it. Why have a jury?
I thought every one had a right to a jury but no so. Went thru that last year.
The fire marshall is not just a fire inspector. What do you mean contract fire inspectors? What is your definition of one?
Go somewhere and do some research so you know what you are talking about.
People are blaming Mr. Lockhart for thier business closing because they can't bring it up to code in a short time. That is crap. Look to building dept. for delays and inspections. If they had been built right in the first place there wouldn't be problems now.
When Payson built thier storage bldg. on or near Aero st. a few years ago they did not put in fire sprinklers but were requiring private business to do it. Wonder if it was ever done?
We bought the Punkin Center bar after it burned in Tonto Basin. Had to clean out all the fire damage and rebuild it. Parts of the concrete floor and a couple of walls. We opened for business about 80 days later. We had county inspectors and the Fire chief in Tonto looking over our shoulder almost every day and then the health dept. Most restaurants in town wouldn't pass a real health inspection. I know it is county.
The fire dept. could save money by not taking calls for paramedics. A lot of people call them for a cut finger. Cheaper than going to ER. Think of the money that would save on gas and equipment.
The fire dept. does things for the citizens of Payson besides put out fires. They do thier own cleaning of equipment the fire houses and living quarters. Make inspections of buildings. They don't just sit and read a book or watch TV when not fighting fires. The fire dept. is the one that needs more employees and raises.
Not all the assistants in the town offices that sit around and visit.
I don't know about the budget committee but some of the council didn't know the fire fighters are on 48 hour shifts. Maybe some of them should try doing that.
Tom,
I remember curfews in Prescott when I was in the second grade there. Thats a long time ago.
kids have no business out on the streets after ten o'clock during the week unless they are working. Midnight on the weekends. A lot of parents don't know or care where their kids are.
They are controlled on every thing else, so why not be at home terrorizing thier parents instead of everyone else. May lower the pregnancy rate too.
My kids were home in bed by 8:00 PM during school time, unless they were at a football game on Friday night. They could stay up later in the summer if they were at a Little League game but weren't out roaming the streets. My husband and I were also at the football and Little League games. My kids could get into enough mischief in broad daylight. I didn't feel they should be running the streets at night. We lived in Mesa and Gilbert when they were growing up.
Pine has or did have a whistle or siren that could be heard all over town. I believe it was for a fire warning. It was tested every Sat. about noon I think. It would alert everyone of some problem.
Of course by now it is probably gone because it disturbed someone.
It was much louder than the whistle at the sawmill here in Payson.
Tom,
You keep talking about to many people here. How do you suggest getting rid of them?
You don't believe in abortions and I am assuming you don't think murder is to great an idea.
You don't like war. So what is your idea of lowering the population or slowing it down?
I understand the Chinese are allowed to have only one child. How do you do that without abortion? Or should all the men have a small snip? I think maybe that is the solution of birth control. Lots easier than what women have to go thru.
Read the dates on the comments under More like this story.
They need to be brought up to date.
The comment, Firefighters rally to save fire marshall has nothing to do with what is going on now. It is dated 2008
permits and inspections have been a mess up here since 2000 that I know of.
I went thru it getting a house built.
My son and grandsons built houses and we all saw first hand about permits, inspections and all the rest. Including not being able to have a temporary cargo bin for thier belongings even tho the police chief at the time had one.
The house we had built is on the edge of the Payson Golf course. It has double pane windows. The house was finished and ready for final inspection when a golf ball hit the laundry room window and broke the out side pane. We ordered a new one and my son went for the occupancy permit. They said no as there was a broken window.
Well, needless to say I went to the office and came back with the occupancy permit.
There was a pane of glass in the frame not broken. I told the men at the permit office that after my son was moved in he could break every window in the house and no one could make him replace it. Don't blame all the problems on the Fire Marshall. I don't think he was here at the time.
Pat Randall 9 hours, 47 minutes ago on 243 Payson curfew is out of date and ineffective.
243 Payson curfew is out of date and ineffective.
Tom, I think we are on different tracks. I had my kids home so they wouldn't be hurt by someone that shouldn't haven't been out. Not that I was worried about my kids doing something wrong. I felt they were safer at home. When you and I were growing up it was a much safer world. The same with my kids but didn't want to take chances. My oldest one is 60 and things were starting to change. The youngest is 52. If I were raising kids now they would probably have to be in the house before dark. Yes, even here in Payson.
Pat Randall 12 hours, 15 minutes ago on 244 This fits my definition of "scary."
244 This fits my definition of "scary."
frederick, Not everyone may by on cable and if they are they may not be watching TV.
Pat Randall 16 hours, 41 minutes ago on Was it wise to act so soon?
Was it wise to act so soon?
Judges are far from perfect too. I have read about cases where there is a jury that says one thing and the judge over rules it. Why have a jury? I thought every one had a right to a jury but no so. Went thru that last year.
Pat Randall 17 hours, 7 minutes ago on Budget cuts, jumps both raise questions
Budget cuts, jumps both raise questions
The fire marshall is not just a fire inspector. What do you mean contract fire inspectors? What is your definition of one? Go somewhere and do some research so you know what you are talking about.
Pat Randall 19 hours, 24 minutes ago on Town Budget
Town Budget
People are blaming Mr. Lockhart for thier business closing because they can't bring it up to code in a short time. That is crap. Look to building dept. for delays and inspections. If they had been built right in the first place there wouldn't be problems now.
When Payson built thier storage bldg. on or near Aero st. a few years ago they did not put in fire sprinklers but were requiring private business to do it. Wonder if it was ever done?
We bought the Punkin Center bar after it burned in Tonto Basin. Had to clean out all the fire damage and rebuild it. Parts of the concrete floor and a couple of walls. We opened for business about 80 days later. We had county inspectors and the Fire chief in Tonto looking over our shoulder almost every day and then the health dept. Most restaurants in town wouldn't pass a real health inspection. I know it is county.
The fire dept. could save money by not taking calls for paramedics. A lot of people call them for a cut finger. Cheaper than going to ER. Think of the money that would save on gas and equipment.
The fire dept. does things for the citizens of Payson besides put out fires. They do thier own cleaning of equipment the fire houses and living quarters. Make inspections of buildings. They don't just sit and read a book or watch TV when not fighting fires. The fire dept. is the one that needs more employees and raises. Not all the assistants in the town offices that sit around and visit.
I don't know about the budget committee but some of the council didn't know the fire fighters are on 48 hour shifts. Maybe some of them should try doing that.
Pat Randall 1 day, 6 hours ago on 243 Payson curfew is out of date and ineffective.
243 Payson curfew is out of date and ineffective.
Tom, I remember curfews in Prescott when I was in the second grade there. Thats a long time ago. kids have no business out on the streets after ten o'clock during the week unless they are working. Midnight on the weekends. A lot of parents don't know or care where their kids are. They are controlled on every thing else, so why not be at home terrorizing thier parents instead of everyone else. May lower the pregnancy rate too. My kids were home in bed by 8:00 PM during school time, unless they were at a football game on Friday night. They could stay up later in the summer if they were at a Little League game but weren't out roaming the streets. My husband and I were also at the football and Little League games. My kids could get into enough mischief in broad daylight. I didn't feel they should be running the streets at night. We lived in Mesa and Gilbert when they were growing up.
Pat Randall 1 day, 6 hours ago on 244 This fits my definition of "scary."
244 This fits my definition of "scary."
Pine has or did have a whistle or siren that could be heard all over town. I believe it was for a fire warning. It was tested every Sat. about noon I think. It would alert everyone of some problem. Of course by now it is probably gone because it disturbed someone.
It was much louder than the whistle at the sawmill here in Payson.
Pat Randall 1 day, 6 hours ago on 241 Immigration ad paid for by Corporate Execs.
241 Immigration ad paid for by Corporate Execs.
Tom, You keep talking about to many people here. How do you suggest getting rid of them? You don't believe in abortions and I am assuming you don't think murder is to great an idea. You don't like war. So what is your idea of lowering the population or slowing it down? I understand the Chinese are allowed to have only one child. How do you do that without abortion? Or should all the men have a small snip? I think maybe that is the solution of birth control. Lots easier than what women have to go thru.
Pat Randall 1 day, 8 hours ago on Fire chief takes early retirement
Fire chief takes early retirement
Read the dates on the comments under More like this story. They need to be brought up to date. The comment, Firefighters rally to save fire marshall has nothing to do with what is going on now. It is dated 2008
Pat Randall 1 day, 9 hours ago on Budget cuts, jumps both raise questions
Budget cuts, jumps both raise questions
permits and inspections have been a mess up here since 2000 that I know of. I went thru it getting a house built. My son and grandsons built houses and we all saw first hand about permits, inspections and all the rest. Including not being able to have a temporary cargo bin for thier belongings even tho the police chief at the time had one. The house we had built is on the edge of the Payson Golf course. It has double pane windows. The house was finished and ready for final inspection when a golf ball hit the laundry room window and broke the out side pane. We ordered a new one and my son went for the occupancy permit. They said no as there was a broken window. Well, needless to say I went to the office and came back with the occupancy permit. There was a pane of glass in the frame not broken. I told the men at the permit office that after my son was moved in he could break every window in the house and no one could make him replace it. Don't blame all the problems on the Fire Marshall. I don't think he was here at the time.